User talk:Madcapellan

Contents 1 Strauss full scores 2 Nielsen Symphony Nr. 3 3 Moving Pages 4 Wagner - Rienzi 5 Les Troyens 6 Suggestion for list of contributions 7 Manon 8 Current projects 9 Donizetti 10 Hindemith 11 Khovanshchina VS from Complete Works Ed. 12 Hindemith announcement on the forums 13 Strauss operas in full score 14 Brahms-Schoenberg 15 The Wooden Prince 16 scan quality 17 Panathenäenzug and Japanische Festmusik

Strauss full scores

Hi Madcapellan, anything new on the way regarding Strauss? The two full scores of Guntram and Feuersnot are terrific. Daphnis 01:48, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Recent Strauss additions very nice and most welcome. Thank you! Daphnis 04:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Once again, nice additions. Thank you! Daphnis 14:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Nielsen Symphony Nr. 3

Hi. Thank you for the scans of Nielsens symphonies. Unfortunatly one of the pages in the third movement of the 3. Symphony has not been scanned in full. The page in question is paginated 107 (27 in the PDF). Could you please replace it with a full scan? :D Asj 20:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. ScanTailor is useful, but has its problems, and that's one of them. Pages are often randomly cut off. I replaced the third movement file with one that does not have the page in question cut off. Let me know if you see any other problems.--Madcapellan 01:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

As a note, you don't actually have to upload a new file if you want to submit a new version. You notice that under every download link, there's a small number (e.g. #25000); if you click on that, you'll be taken to another page with a link to 'upload a new version of this file'. Cheers, KGill _{talk email} 13:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing it so fast! :) Asj 09:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Moving Pages

Fixed. You need to wait a bit until your a more seasoned editor in order to change page titles. The ability should come shortly (after the captcha is gone). There will be a tab called "move" at the top of the page (right next to the edit tab), and that is where you can change page titles. Thanks for the contribution, BKhon 19:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

*cough* check Madcap's contribs - he started in January 2007. I think the captcha is gone by now :-) KGill _{talk email} 00:12, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Wagner - Rienzi

Great contribution! I was looking to tackle this job a while back but found the 1,000+ paged tome a little too daunting at the time. Thanks for your great work! Daphnis 19:27, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Related: Thanks for Dalibor. I'm starting a new project very soon and will try and get my grubby mits on Janácek The Makropulos Case full score if I can swing it. Daphnis 03:55, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

It's next to impossible to find Janacek opera scores anywhere, which is a shame. Of course, despite dying in 1928, many of his important works were published after 1923, complicating matters. I've only seen full scores to Jenufa and Kat'a Kabanova, but I thought these were unpostable because of the translations or something. I'd be happy to post them if I am mistaken about this.

On the Smetana front, I also have Teufelswand and Libuse due up, although it could be some time on the latter due to the state of the scans. --Madcapellan 05:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

The original (pre-1923) full scores of Jenufa and Kat'a Kabanova are free in the USA at least. I expect they're free in Canada as well. Carolus 05:26, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

They're the Universal Editions with translations in both (English and German in Jenufa, just German in Kat'a). Both carry revised copyright dates, but both also have original pre-1923 copyright dates. As such, I'm not hopeful, and especially given the publisher, I'd want to be completely sure before submitting either. --Madcapellan 05:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Given the translations are likely by Brod another fellow who died in the late 70's, the situation is the same as that with The Makropulos Case, Carolus recently confirmed. I'm afraid they're probably no-gos at this point. Daphnis 13:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Les Troyens

Madcapellan,

the legions of Berlioz admirers are surely united in lauding your fine work! Ave et salutem, di te incolumem custodiant!

Best regards, Philip _{@ © talk} 04:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the beautiful scan. Lndlewis10 04:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

And thanks again from me. Terrific work and I'm so glad to finally see this score on the site! Daphnis 13:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I should also say, the remainder of the nine volumes of the NBE you’ve contributed are wonderful additions to the site as well. Is there any chance you may be able to add some of the contents of the supplementary volume to Les Troyens? Chief among those would be the concert arrangement of the Chasse royale et Orage, since we have a set of orchestral parts but no score. (For some reason the Choudens full score of Acts III–V (“Les Troyens à Carthage”), while using Berlioz’s reduced orchestration of 1863 for their typesetting, omits the Chasse royale et Orage.)

Regards and warm compliments again, Philip _{@ © talk} 05:22, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I should be able to, as long as someone can tell me which parts are fine to upload and which aren't. There are a lot of pages of score in the third volume, but also a lot of editorial writing, often with both on a page. The Chasse royale et Orage looks free of comment at least, but most of the rejected scenes and cuts and stuff are not entirely. I'd want to be sure before I posted anything, since the supplement volumes are obviously a mixed bag of PD and not so PD content. The Chasse shouldn't be a problem at least. --Madcapellan 21:52, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

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That was my recollection, too. If memory serves, the other section of full score which may be devoid of editorialisms by Professor Macdonald is the original long ending to Act V, with the muse of history, Clio, appearing in a vision of the march of centuries to declaim “Fuit Ilium, stat Roma” (where once was Troy, now is there Rome). Do you know about the IMSLP ftp server? If some of the contents of the volume look as though only a small amount of editorial text need to be removed, then this could be uploaded to the ftp server for one of our number to advise and erase from the pages before uploading. Regards, Philip _{@ © talk} 00:18, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

I can help out in that regard if anyone would like. Daphnis 01:25, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I think this is going to be about all that can be uploaded from the supplement volume. Everything else is fragmentary in nature, and almost everything else contains a necessary explanation as to where it would have fit or where the cut would have been. Much of the supplement is devoted to either the division of the opera into two (with the necessary additional music or "sanctioned" cuts to make that possible), or rejected music not used in the opera (such as the original Act V finale). Considering the whole point of this edition was to restore the opera to its original conception, and that the fragments wouldn't make any sense without their editorial explanations, I'm not sure there's much reason to upload anything else from the volume. --Madcapellan 10:05, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion for list of contributions

I happend to check up on you regarding your list of contributions since you joined and was thrilled to see all you've done. All of your contributions are very welcome additions and you've no doubt spent a great deal of time and effort on them. Would you consider or even be interested in maintaining some list on your talk or user page of these? I came across some I had no idea we had and that fill major gaps. Of note is the full score to Gounod's Faust, which I was contemplating doing at some point but I'm glad to see someone else has taken care of it! Daphnis 03:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I never really thought about it. I suppose it's not a terrible idea, seeing as the level of contributions to this site means everything moves off the top page at a rapid speed. I'm not really sure how to set the user page up, but I suppose it's not too hard. --Madcapellan 06:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Feel free to use mine as a template if you like. It isn't as well-done as, say, pml's, but still gives you a good idea. Daphnis 03:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Bump on this. If you don't do it, I'll do it for you...very impressive...-- Snailey (_@/) _{Talk to Me Email me} 03:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Ditto. Due to the rapid uploading of files, I happened to miss your contribution of Verdi's Don Carlos, which was another on my opera list. Any other Verdi full scores you'd like to contribute would, of course, be most welcome. Daphnis 03:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Good start :P. Maybe I should just transclude your user page onto IMSLP:Featured...-- Snailey (_@/) _{Talk to Me Email me} 02:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Good idea Daphnis 02:19, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Manon

Hi Madcapellan! Thanks so much for your contribution of the full score to Manon. I was just about to embark on scanning the same score, but glad to see it's already done and I can work on other things! Cheers, Massenetique _{talk email} 05:07, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Oustanding! Carolus 05:45, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Very nice, that's one off my list. Daphnis 12:58, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Current projects

Hi Madcapellan, regarding your current projects, which I'm happy to see, can you give me details on the copies of L'elisir d'amore and Lucia di Lammermoor you're going to scan? I was planning on hitting all 3 of those (along with La traviata), but if you can do them then that's terrific. The copy of L'elisir I have is a Ricordi print, engraved, probably originally from the 20s plate/catalog P. R. 37 with 604 numbered pages of music. The alternate copy of Lucia I have is similar but in the 400s I believe. Are these the ones reprinted by Dover? Do you actually have your hands on them now? If I can avoid any duplication of work then I would very much like to. Thanks! Daphnis 14:27, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

The copies of Lucia and La traviata are indeed the Dover ones, while the copy of L'Elisir is the one you described. I was going to do these since I saw them on your list and figured they wouldn't take me long to do, and with Lucia I figured you wouldn't be doing another version. I was planning on scanning them some time next week, but I haven't yet, so let me know if you have. Otherwise, I can probably get some of them up in the next week or so. Unfortunately, I won't be able to do any more Verdi scores from the looks of it, as anything I have access to is already posted. --Madcapellan 18:59, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Well by all means, please go ahead and work on what you have. I have plenty to work on. I very much look forward to seeing these added to IMSLP. And I'll take care of the rest of Verdi. MANY thanks, Daphnis 01:39, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Donizetti

Nice work. Mille grazie, Daphnis 16:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Hindemith

Has to go on the US server. Sorry!-- Snailey (_@/) _{Talk to Me Email me} 03:37, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll take care of it. About to do some file adding to the server. Daphnis 03:39, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm obviously well aware of that. Am I to understand from the message boards that there's no possible way I can cause something to be on the US server, even though it's no problem to get something to the EU server? Because there's some more Hindemith I'd like to add. If not, looks like Daphnis is going to have more work in front of him. --Madcapellan 04:59, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Madcapellan. Thank you for the beautiful scans. I believe that the only person who can grant you access to the US server is jdeperi. You will have to send him a private message message on the forums and he will respond with your login information. I suspect he will have absolutely no problem giving give you access, judging from your very high level contributions so far! Respectfully yours, Emery 05:05, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Jonathan is indeed the person to contact. I know there wouldn't be a problem giving you, Madcapellan, the necessary access. I'm actually having problems with my shotty connection right now and so will have to move the files (and add my own) tomorrow. Daphnis 05:19, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Your violin sonata has been moved over to the US side of things. Daphnis 19:02, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Nice additions with the two violin sonati. Are you planning on doing any more Hindemith? If not, I may add his remaining free works sometime in the coming weeks. Let me know so we don't duplicate anything. Daphnis 04:01, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Right now I was planning on the other opus 11 sonatas (minus the last one), and the String Quartet No. 2 parts. Since it's hard to find a list of Hindemith's works with opus number (since he gave up on that part way in), I'm not sure which other works of his are PD. I'd do more if it's possible, but I'm not sure how much is. --Madcapellan 05:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

(For whatever reason I'm not getting email notifications when this page is changed). I think there are 4 sonati in Op. 11, so you're only doing No. 3? The best place to look for public domain Hindemith, since he's a fairly hot-ticket item, is on Masters' page for Hindemith. Other than that, I do a WorldCat search for anything written by Hindemith and limit dates to a range of 0-1922. There are also 2 other pieces reprinted by Kalmus: Kammermusik No. 1, Op. 24 No. 1 and Das Nusch-Nuschi, Op. 20 that are free. That basically does it I think. Daphnis 14:22, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

There are six, actually, but I see now that the fifth was published in 1923. So that means parts of the same opus number are alternately in the PD and still protected for the rest of the decade. The sixth was only put together recently and first published in 2002, so this piece first written in the 1910's will be protected for the rest of the century. Which was the one I meant I wasn't doing.

Confusingly, the third only has the 1949 renewal date on it, but not it's 1922 publishing date. As I see it's available from Masters, and I found a WorldCat record linking its plate number to a 1922 date, I have to believe it's PD, although I'm not sure why they would choose this sonata only to leave out its actual publishing date. I will upload it assuming there isn't something I'm missing about it. I would actually like to check all of the early opus numbers just in case, but I know at least some (like the String Quartet op. 2) were not published until recently. As such, my Hindemith contributions may indeed be limited to the four available opus 11 sonatas and the first two numbered string quartets. --Madcapellan 19:38, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Essentially what is available through Masters and Kalmus is all there is that's fair game. Supposing you can do the other 2 sonati in opus 11 and the remaining scores and parts for the string quartets, I can take care of the rest. Can you manage score and parts for the quartets? The third sonata is also public domain in the US; I have no idea why they expunged the 1922 publication date. Daphnis 23:10, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I do not have access to the score from the second quartet, and it would be a number of weeks before I could. So if you are able to do it, please go ahead. It looks like I might be able to do Die junge Magd and the Kleine Kammermusik No. 2 as well, but other than that, that will be it. --Madcapellan 02:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Kleine Kammermusik No. 2 (the wind quintet) is already available. I'll get my hands on the score to the second quartet, and everything else besides the rest of opus 11 and Die junge Magd. Good work! Daphnis 03:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Khovanshchina VS from Complete Works Ed.

Hi Madcapellan, I see that you've been busy with some of the pieces from the Mussorgsky monument. Will you be doing the vocal score to Khovanshchina? I actually have a Kalmus-reprinted copy of this in my queue, but if you intend to do it please let me know as I'll skip over it and do some other scores. Thanks, Daphnis 03:55, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Sadly, no. The songs portion of the complete works is all I have access to. I noticed some missing volumes, so I decided to upload what I could. The Jugendlieder volume is all that is left, and hopefully that will be up in the coming day. --Madcapellan 09:25, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much for these. BTW, are you scanning from the Kalmus reprints from the 1960s or from the much rarer original Muzgiz prints? The lack of plate numbers in your scans makes me think it's the Kalmus. Carolus 01:00, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

They are indeed the Kalmus reprints. I would hope that the originals were better quality than the reprints, as these look rather grainy and spotty. That said, they're still good enough and a necessary addition to the site. --Madcapellan 05:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Hindemith announcement on the forums

Just in case you missed it, I posted a brief announcement of the availability of the recently-completed Hindemith works in case you wanted to weigh in. Daphnis 03:59, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Strauss operas in full score

These are excellent (and much-needed) contributions. Thank you! Daphnis 05:24, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Are there any more nice Strauss works coming soon? Whenever you've added all you can, let me know and I'll try to get my hands on the rest. Looks like many of the remainders are choral works. Daphnis 04:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I've still got a bit of Strauss to get through yet, including a number of the choral works. Feel free to post anything that isn't orchestral. --Madcapellan 22:55, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Give me the go-ahead sign when you're Straussed out and I'll fill in the gaps. Thanks for all your work with this--very nice additions. Daphnis 05:14, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I think that's about it for me for the Strauss right now. The rest of the Lieder were apparently first published in 1964, and will therefore have to wait a few years before they can be on this site. I'm not sure how many of those works without opus numbers have been published, but certainly those piece for choir with numbers should be somewhere. --Madcapellan 10:28, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Brahms-Schoenberg

It appears you uploaded the 1988 score of the critical edition. This is still too soon to meet the 25-year minimum for critical editions in Canada. We'd allow the 1940 score (though it would still be blocked due to its US status) but the 1988 score is too new. We might allow this in 2014 but not before. Sorry, Carolus 00:39, 21 September 2011 (UTC) (IMSLP Copyright Admin)

That's pretty funny to hear since the actual critical edition from the Arnold Schoenberg Sämtliche Werke was published in 1972. And the version I uploaded has no critical remarks or commentary whatsoever anywhere in the volume. Indeed, they appear to be the exact same plate upon comparison of the two versions. Perhaps that copyright date is referring to the critical commentary published for the volume, which was in 1988. Obviously, none of that is included in the upload. Unless there are some revised edits that were added later which weren't mentioned in either volume, I'm pretty sure this version was published no later than 1972, with the 1940 copyright date claimed on the first page for some reason. I can post the first page of the critical edition if necessary, or even redo the whole thing with the critical edition version, whose only difference I can see is that Belwin Mills claims a 1972 copyright instead of 1988 on the first page. This link confirms that the critical edition was published in 1972 [1]

The Wooden Prince

Hi there, Would it be possible to request Bartok Wooden Prince score from you? And I have scores to offer you in return(Stravinsky,Bartok,Shostakovich...) Thanks--Nartonf

I am not Madcapellan (and hope he won't mind me butting in) but will answer in accordance with policy. We do not privately share files with users, especially when those being requested are blocked on the wiki because of copyright concerns. Daphnis 14:46, 2 October 2011 (UTC) (Copyright reviewer)

Ok ,but can you tell me where I can get this score ?Nartonf

Try your community/university library, or it's possible you could arrange to get it on perusal loan from Universal Edition. Daphnis 17:48, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

scan quality

Hi Madcapellan. I really admire the quality of your scans. Can you talk me through your specific workflow please?

all best

Bizetfan

600 dpi monochrome + ScanTailor --Madcapellan 03:35, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Panathenäenzug and Japanische Festmusik

Hello, Madcapellan. I love Richard Strauss's orchestral scores. Can I please have the full scores of Panathenäenzug, and Japanische Festmusik?

I'm not Madcapellan, but his answer will be the same as the one I posted to your similar question on my talk page: We can't share these blocked files, sorry again. Daphnis 22:44, 11 February 2012 (UTC)