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OK, I told you I was blonde...

I've scanned the score of the Schubert Quartet D96 and saved all the images as .pdf files. I've even managed to upload a few. I've made a work page. But how do I add the uploaded files to the work page? And can I submit the remaining pages as a batch instead of individually?

I've tried clicking on "special pages - upload multiple files" but it tells me it has to be via a link in a work page.

I've read the submission guide and it says "go to the work page...and click on "add a file to this work page". When I go to the work page I can't find anything that says "add a file to this work page."

I'll be back in the morning (our time)'s now 11.45 pm and I have to go to work in the morning, hopefully the brain cells will work a bit better after some caffeine.

Sorry for being so clueless but this is my first time with a wiki...



Dear Aldona,
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Yours, --Leonard Vertighel 10:44, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Hi Aldona and welcome to IMSLP. First of all, a suggestion: this page is meant for messages to you (and your replies to them, if you want). For questions like the above, the forum or the Community Portal are better places (there is nothing wrong with writing here, it's just that your message is not so likely to be seen by others).

The reason why you didn't find the "add a file..." link was that the ampersand sign ('&') in the work page title was causing trouble. I have moved the work page to Quartet for Flute, Guitar, Viola and Violoncello, D.96 (Schubert, Franz). Now you should be able to submit your files. --Leonard Vertighel 10:44, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


A few little things

Hi there Aldona! :)

A few suggestions about the scanning. It is a good idea to scan the score in black and white (monochrome) instead of the grayscale that you are using right now. This is because monochrome scans are much smaller than grayscale, and tends to provide similar quality (since scores generally don't use grayscale anyway).

Also, it is a good idea to combine the pages into one PDF file, to make it easier for people to download it :) If you don't know how to do this, you can look here.

Please ask if you have any further questions :) And like Leonard mentioned above, it may be a good idea to ask in the forums, so people will notice it more. --Feldmahler 11:30, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


I see that you've managed to both make the file monochrome and submit it at the same time... nice! :) If you have any more problems, just ask me and I'll try to do what I can :)

I've moved a few little things around (as you can see on the page), but generally it was a very good submission :) --Feldmahler 01:11, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

success at last!

Thank you all for your I've managed to submit the Quartet D.96 as well (although not without some swearing and pulling out of hair when initially the PDF creator jumbled up the pages in random order).

Now that I seem to have a grasp of the process I'll see if I can get busy on the scanning and uploading (not to mention keeping my eye out for more old scores for sale).

Stamitz Trio

Hi Aldona! Someone notified me on the forums (via pm) that the first and last pages of all three files on Trio in G major for Two Flutes (or Flute and Violin) and Violoncello (Stamitz, Carl Philipp) need to be removed... which is correct, as they are still copyrighted (at the very least the last page). The critical edition pub+25 only covers the music, and not the preface, which is covered under the normal life+50 law (since it is an original literary work).

Fixing it is very simple; you just have to remove the first and last pages, and reupload to the same file name :) Thanks! --Feldmahler 15:42, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

Hello and thanks for the note...

I won't have time to do anything about it until the weekend but then I thought I would re-scan it anyway (as they are not big files, and since those early days I have learned more about how to make scans look nicer ;-)). So I would be eternally grateful if you could remove the files and I'll have the new ones re-uploaded probably Sunday or Monday (long weekend here due to public holiday). --Aldona

Sure thing! And I should be the one thanking you for the wonderful scans :) --Feldmahler 17:44, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Hello again!

I have re-scanned and submitted the parts of the Stamitz trio, minus the front and back bits, and hopefully looking a bit less messy with cropped edges. If one of you clever people could remove the old files, it would be greatly appreciated. -- Aldona

Schubert Contributions

Hey Aldona, thanks for all your great Schubert Song contributions. I've been downloading them quite eagerly as they've been put up. May I request that anytime you add a new one you also add the link to it on the Schubert list which has all his works sorted by D number? Since there is getting to be such a massive amount of entries on his page, it is hard to notice any new pieces which might not be linked on the list. Therefore, it is simpler for the uploader to do the linking whenever they upload a file. Thanks again,Mcroskell 06:44, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

Schubert songs

Hello, Aldona. You probably noticed that I'm systematically changing the publisher information field of you contributions. I changed the publisher information field to conform it to the (unwritten) addition to the guidelines where the title of the collection is given in italics before the rest of the publishers data. I know, this should be put black on white but I should ask someone how to change the add-file-page. Another reason why I'm changing it is that I can link to the page of the Schubert Gesammtausgabe. Just like other Complete Editions, I'm following and adding every addition of the Gesammtausgabe. And further it contains some dates and places. And lastly I add the page numbers to the page number field.

So can I kindly ask you to change the publisher field as follows? The Kalmus reprints erased the plate numbers whereas the Lea reprints didn't.

New York: Kalmus Study Score No. 1084, n.d.. Unedited reprint of:
Franz Peter Schuberts Werke. Kritische durchgesehene Gesamtausgabe, Serie 20 No.387a. Leipzig: Breitkopf & Härtel, 1884-1897. Plate ?.

Also, if you still would have time, feel free to add your additions on the Schubert Gesammtausgabe page.

Again, a big thank you for your high quality scans! Peter talk 05:53, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

If you use Photoshop, maybe I have a tip for you. When I align scores, I take the Measure tool (located where the Eyedropper tool is), and then draw a line with the measure tool perfectly on a note line of the score. Then: Menu -> Image -> Rotate Canvas -> Arbitrary, and surprise! The value for making your line horizontal is automatically calculated for you, you only have to click ok. If you record a macro and assign a keycombination to that menu, this works even faster. Peter talk 08:29, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

Hi Aldona, I just downloaded a copy of the complete critical report for the Schubert Gesammtausgabe (it's available on Google Books) and noticed that the only editor listed there for the songs is Eusebius Mandyczewski. Brahms apparently edited only the Symphonies for this series. I thought you might like to know. Carolus 00:28, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Brahms Piano Quartet

Hi, Aldona. I notice you are planning to upload the Brahms Piano Quartet in C Minor, Op.60. I just was wondering if this upload would include the parts or just the score. If you could scan the parts as well, I would be eternally grateful. Thanks! Ras1

Thanks for uploading the score. I'm eternally in your debt! Ras1


CD Sheet Music
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Please DO NOT add CD Sheet Music as a scanner or publisher, as you did with 3 Grand Duets for 2 Flutes, Op.39 (Kuhlau, Friedrich Daniel Rudolf).
"CD Sheet Music" is a trademarked company. This has been brought up before, see this forum topic. --Funper talk 05:42, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

Commercialy available resource

Hi! We have the habit to not explicitly mention the name of the commercial scanners. There's nothing illegal to it as long as trademarks and logos are removed, but they do include nasty copyright warnings... In the verification process, we keep a note of the source of the file. Cheers --Peter talk 06:03, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

Well, it seems Funper made a synchronous edit :) --Peter talk 06:07, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

PD verification tagging

Aldona, thanks for your Schubert lieder scans. Are you added as a copyright reviewer also? I ask because I've noticed you have not been verifying the PD status of your uploads, and it would be helpful to others if you could do this after uploading files. If you don't have this privilege on the wiki let us know and we'll add you. Thanks. Daphnis 09:40, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Schubert Works

Hi Aldona, You are a true Schubertian. Thanks for adding all these wonderful pieces. Our colleague Peter has devised a brilliant template that should save you time when adding publisher info for items that have been repinted from the Breitkopf complete works edition. It is: {{SchubertComplete|Serie|Number|Plate}} All you do is plud in the Serie number, the Volume (= "Number" in the template) and the plate number if you know it. Put in a <br> tag and add the reprint info (typically Kalmus) and you're done. Kalmus started their reprints of public domain scores in 1933, so everything they issued is after that date. I used this template on Der Gondelfahrer, D.809 (Op.28) (Schubert, Franz) just to see what it would look like, and it appears that Peter's template performs splendidly. Carolus 14:13, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Hi again, I noticed your statement about searching for scores in E-Bay, etc. I thought you might want to visit AddAll, which ties into something like 100, 000 used book stores around the world. You can sometimes find scores at a ridiculously cheap price - I picked up a facsimile of Arthur Sullivan's manuscript for The Mikado for $10.00 USD a few years back (it's probably worth 20 times that much, since it's beem out of print for decades). I expect there are volumes of the Schubert complete works out there - both in the original Breitkopf printing and the later reprint (of the entire series) by Dover, not to mention the numerous reprints of selected items issued by Kalmus and others over the years. Another good place to search is (the "advanced search" page works best for scores). Carolus 22:45, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Hi Aldona. I wanted to drop in and say thanks for all your great work with Schubert. Any idea how many lieder we're now short? Also, does your love of Schubert (insofar as scanning and uploading are concerned) extend to any of his orchestral works? Since my time is mostly devoted to finishing the main French composer's catalogues, I may not have time to devote to Schubert orchestral works, but it would be fantastic if we could have a near-complete Schubert collection here at IMSLP. Thanks for the great work! Daphnis 10:58, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
Also, I forgot to mention that I have the CDSM v2.0 of the Schubert lieder here on CD with me, so let me know if you'd like any of those to peruse. Daphnis 11:21, 3 May 2008 (EDT)


I wouldn't rely too much (read: ignore) the publication dates given by the Sibley database. If the date isn't in the score, it's almost always wrong, and very often their estimate is not even in the neighborhood. I've even seen publication dates before the composer was born.... Recent additions to Sibley seem to be added systematically to the worldcat database with a corrected publication date. Peter talk 18:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)


Hi Aldona, The volume of Melodies you kindly uploaded actually includes the Op.11 songs as well as the Op. 2. We might want to split the file later, just so you'll know. Thanks. Carolus 00:35, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Sorry about that...that's what happens when I rely solely on Sibley's title description instead of inspecting the whole score before I upload.Aldona 08:02, 12 May 2008 (EDT)


Hi there. Now that Feldmahler promoted you in the copyright review team, I would like to point your attention to IMSLP:Copyright Reviewers, where you can find a concise manual and a guideline for the review process. However, as this page is still under construction, please report any unclear or missing pieces! --Peter talk 12:10, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I saw this before I saw the relevant bit on Carolus' talk page and my first reaction was "what the &$@#?? when did that happen?") It feels a bit like the time when I was doing an ob/gyn junior resident job and had assisted at a few C-sections, and then one day the boss handed me the tray of instruments and said "OK, you're doing this one." (it turned out OK, mom and baby were fine, and I suspect in the case of IMSLP copyright review the outcome will be similar.)
But as I said on the other page, I might start real slowly and just start off by tagging my own contributions until I get more confident. And thank you for the manual - it does make a nice user-friendly set of guidelines. Aldona 16:43, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

note to self - composers to find out more about

(hehehe - now I know how to access IMSLP from my computer at work. a monster has been created - I definitely won't get any work done now!)

Obscure composers to find out more about so I can put their works on IMSLP...

(a reference list for myself, will add/delete bits as necessary.)
  • Bading, Heinrich (1864-?)
  • Caplet, André (1878-1925)
  • Croebelis, Domingo Simoni del (?-?) (haven't been able to find out anything besides the fact that he wrote a hell of a lot of flute music, which is on the Danish Royal Library website)
Quoted from New Grove:

Croubelis, Simoni dall [Simoni, D.; Simono, D.]

(b ?1726; d ?Copenhagen, ?1790). Dutch composer, active in Denmark. Before settling in Copenhagen in the early 1780s he appears to have worked in Amsterdam, where a few arrangements of vocal music (some as flute duets) were published. The earliest reference to his presence in Denmark is the signature ‘a Coppenhage le 16 may 1785’ on one of his manuscripts. He was 60 years old at the time of the official census on 1 July 1787. Annotations on the music manuscripts and on two handwritten catalogues of the Copenhagen court music archives suggest that he had important connections with members of the nobility. Among these was W.H.R.R. Giedde, an amateur flautist and prominent music collector, through whose widow the collection of Croubelis’s music passed to the court and then to the Royal Library. 97 compositions, mostly instrumental, survive in manuscript (most of them presumably autograph). Their style is typical of that of the mid-18th century. WORKS 8 concs., 5 for fl, orch, 3 for orch (no solo), incl. Concert danois villagois, ou Divertissement des dames; 8 syms., incl. 1 ‘dans le gout asiatique’, ed. in The Symphony 1720–1840, ser. F, vi (New York, 1983) and ‘Simphonie chinoise’; 6 syms. concertantes, 1 ed. in The Symphony 1720–1840, ser. F, vi (New York, 1983); 2 sextets; 4 qnts; 19 str qts; 11 trios; sonatas, duets, fl; arias, v, insts: all in DK-Kk Arrs.: De CL psalmen Davids, benevens veele andere stigtelyke lof-gedigten, vn/fl/ob (Amsterdam, 1763); Nieuwe geestelyke rymstoffen van verschiedene liefhebbers, v/vn/fl/ob/hpd (Amsterdam, n.d) [with W. Vermooten]; Airs choisies de plusieurs opéras français, 2 fl (Amsterdam, n.d.); Recueil nouveau d’airs, menuets, contredanses, gavottes & gigues, de différens autheurs, italiens, françois & anglois, 2 fl/vn (Amsterdam, n.d.) BIBLIOGRAPHY N. Krabbe: ‘Simoni dall Croubelis, “compositeur ved musiquen”, København 1787’, Musik & forskning, iii (1977), 11–25 [incl. Eng. summary] Daphnis 19:30, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

  • Grodzki, Boleslaus (Bolesław) (1865-?)
  • Hoffmann, C.F.D.
  • Kudelski, Carl Matthias (1805-1877)
  • Loewe, Johann Heinrich (1766-1815)
  • Poldowski, Irene (Lady Dean Paul), (1880-1932)
  • Provinciali, Emilio (?-1908)
  • Riotte, Philipp Jakob (1776-1856)
  • Schneider, Friedrich (1786-1853)
  • Schuster, Vincenz (ca.1800-?) (the man that Schubert wrote the Arpeggione sonata for, and a guitar virtuoso and composer in his own right)
  • Sourilas, Th.?
  • Stark, Robert (1847-1922)

Aldona 04:19, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Just wanted to pop in because I saw a composer I know and love on your list, Johann Kalliwoda. I sure would love to put some of his oboe works on IMSLP, but unlike many of his string works, the works for oboe were published less than 50 years ago. I even have the Centaur label CD of his first and fifth symphonies on it. Fine music, and even Schumann spoke very highly of his work. Daphnis 09:00, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Kalliwoda is a name I keep seeing when looking for classical-period chamber music with winds - now to find a good biography so I can make a composer page. There is some stuff on Sibley that I would like to add. (So much to do - so little time!)Aldona 17:08, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Regarding the downtime

Hi Aldona! Just a heads up that I've responded to your message on my talk page. --Feldmahler 21:28, 16 June 2008 (EDT)


Hello Aldona, the bug you added is not really a bug. It is just appearing so because the other website, where the information of that section will be pulled from, is not completed yet. --Peter talk 03:22, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

OK - does that mean that I'll have to go back and add "general information" for these new works once the other website is completed?Aldona 08:33, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
I'm afraid so yes. When IMDBP is complete, the add/upload process will be integrated on both servers. We're just figuring out how :D --Peter talk 10:33, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
The default "route" for submission should be complete tonight, and submitters will be able to add information to the work page like before. Besides having to click on one extra link there should be no additional input needed, so it should be quite simple. I know this might seem like we are just needlessly adding complexity to the entire thing, but I promise that in the long run this will make sense, especially with another new project on the horizon.
The completion of the IMDBP might take as long as half to one year (as Peter says, we want to have a good structure to make full use of the flexibility of not being bound by file entries, but good structure takes time to come up with also...), but the default route that IMSLP submitters can take should be finished tonight (it is already there, just broken by a little bug). Sorry for the trouble! Changing something is always a pain :/ --Feldmahler 10:39, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
And done. :) I've tested it, and it seems to work fine. Do report anything you suspect to be a bug; I would like to catch as many bugs as possible.
Also, one of the top priorities of IMSLP development will be to make the system as user friendly as possible, so if you think any part of the submission system is too complicated or confusing, do tell me. I love feedback from frequent contributors. :-) --Feldmahler 18:59, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

All those Flute Sonatas

Hi Aldona, I just saw your remark over at Feldmahler's page about the issue of multiple sonatas or other generically-titled works in the same key. The way I've seen it done in OCLC and other library catalogs is: 1) find the catalog number (most of these composers have a verzeichnis - some like C. P. E. Bach have more than one); 2) use the number in the title listing - avoiding the mention of key unless there is a compelling reason to do so (like if you wished all of the G major sonatas to appear together on the composer's page). For example: C. P. E. Bach's "Flute Sonata in G major, Wq.123 (H.550)" would typically be listed as "Flute Sonata, Wq.123 (H.550)." That way, the flute sonatas would be listed in Wotquenne order. The H. numbers are actually more recent for C. P. E. Bach, but one still encounters Wq. more often. I can guarantee you that nearly all the composers of that period wrote more than one sonata in a given key. Carolus 14:21, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for the tip - I'll try to keep it consistent. When creating a work title page, I guess I'm also trying to keep in mind what a user is looking for when searching for a work. For example, speaking as a flute player: Quantz wrote over 300 flute concertos, and yet only one of them has become widely known (and seems to be one of the standard pieces in the repertoire of every flute student). If I was a student looking for a score, the title that we automatically know the work by is "Quantz: Flute Concerto in G." Likewise with other works like "Bach: Suite in B minor"; "Vivaldi: Flute Concerto in G minor 'La Notte'"; "Telemann: Flute Suite in A minor", and many others. The catalog numbers become more important the more deeply involved in music we enthusiasts become, but there must be a way of listing them that does not unnecessarily confuse the beginner, who does not yet know that they should be looking for "RV.48" or "BR B20/ Wf VIII:3/6" or "QV 5:174". Aldona 19:40, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Johann Nepomuk Capeller

Well, this is one slippery flute composer. For starters, no one seems to know what his dates are. Thus far, I've seen: (1776-1831), (1776-1843), (1776-1825), and (1756-1825). To top it off, the last name seems to be spelled with a C half the time and with a K the other half. Since you're the resident flute player, we'll defer to your preference for spelling and dates. Carolus 21:34, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

C. Ph. E. Bach, Fantasi and Fuge c-minor --> H 75.5?

which is this work

I was wondering: should the correct Henne-number be: H 103, equivalent Wq 119.7?

information from Klassika-site Zwarte 18 July 2008

Hello and thank you for your message!
If I recall correctly, I imported this piece from the Sibley Music Library website (University of Rochester), and as it is not a piece I am intimately familiar with, I used the catalog number that they had assigned.
If you have more reliable information than I have available, you may well be correct. However, I have found another catalog of CPE Bach's works which also lists it as H. 75.5:


I won't have time to do much more extensive research on this, so maybe you (or other IMSLP users) may have more details? Aldona 16:49, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Thank you for your interesting reply!

One thing is clear: the Wq number is 119.7 but there is a difference between the Klassika-site and the canadian site you mentioned on the Helm-number (sorry, I was mistaken: it's not Henne but Helm who made the other CPE Bach work-list).

Klassika says: Wq 119.7 = H 103 and gives nothing at all on H 75.5

'Canada' says: Wq 119.7 = H 75.5 and says 'Item rétiré' on H 103.

I am not an expert on CPE Bach either, so it's enough for me to stick to the Wq-number and be clear about the difference in H-number. Which don't mean I'm not interested in an explanation why there is this difference. Zwarte 19 July 2008

6 String Quartets, Op.32 (Wranitzky, Paul)

Many thanks for uploading these most interesting scans (Abel, Gouvy, Wranitzky...). In the opus 32 Wranitzky scan the second file matches the first (same content) (image files 16941 and 16942) - thought worth pointing out... (op. 30 though - the quartets don't have "3 movements each" - Allegro moderato - Polonoise and Trio - Largo - Tempo di Menuetto (con Variazioni) for op. 30 no. 3 in B-flat, for instance; there is also a Polonoise with Trio third movement in the four-movement op. 30 no. 6.) As to the Helm catalogue discrepancy above, perhaps his catalogue and research has gone through different editions and revision... my local university's library may have some related material also... Eric 20:14, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Worth knowing - thank you - do you mean the URResearch archive or is there now one at the Koninkl. Bibl. also (even better...)? Ah, had a look at one of the FE Fesca (as against Alexander) quintets... these often make me miss my days as a (none too good) violist, if only because parts of them sometimes leap immediately off the page (the all-staccato 1st violin notes of the opening of the scherzo of the FE Fesca op. 20 in my honest opinion- reminds me of something I know better in more orchestral but equally inspiriting mood...) Thanks again. Eric 00:56, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Putting in 2c on earlier topic - Philipp Jakob Riotte (1776-1856) is not yet on Wikipedia (any, that I can tell - including de, which has more biographies overall), but URResearch does have his quartets op 22 in D, G and in C minor, it's true; and his first symphony and clarinet concerto are on a Novalis CD - which does suggest that there's cause for looking for additional info (perhaps in Google books books and scores, and starting a Wiki-stub, which I should go see about doing if no one else does! In any event, I think one might well give him some space here, though I don't know the yeas and nays on this site specifically for that?) Eric 01:11, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Reissiger !!...

By coincidence, I was just finishing scanning in the violin part to Reissiger's 11th piano trio (op 125, A minor, 1840s) just now... (seriously!) and getting to the rest soon... unless you're working on that by chance also? Eric 02:48, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

These are my first attempts at score scans, I think; unless I notice serious errors that render the scan of the Reissiger trio no. 11 - the work I've been scanning and LilyPond-typesetting - unusable by performers (notes missing, say...) - the Sibley scan is to be preferred. Mine has too much noise from the old paper, and I was trying without success to work out how to combine PDF files with my software. Same edition (CF Peters, ca 1838), by the way. Cornell does have at least one Reissiger work in score (piano quartet no. 3, op. 108) that is not yet scanned by Sibley, anyway :) but this is good news, yes. Thank you. Eric 20:00, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Best (Dr.) Aldona.

As You have probably already, seen I´ve have started to upload my retypings of Mozarts K.10-15. No. 1 is available now and the next i hope to be able to upload at the latest wednesday.

Daltorps (Brian Cohn) 01:30, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Glazounov Novelettes

Hi Aldona,

My name is Theodor and I am from Romania. I am amateur cello player and I make often chamber music with some friends. I downloaded from you the Glazounov 5 Novelettes. But unfortunately, the viola part has two pag. 3, but the pag. 2 is missing. Please, can you correct this mistake ? I'd love to play together with my friends these novelettes. Thank you very much.

Theodor (Teutzu) 20 Aug. 2008

Hello Theodor,

Thank you for the message about the Novelettes. I borrowed a copy from the library to make my scan, so I will have to go back to the library and borrow it again. I will try to do this in the next week or two, but I have just returned to work and everything is extremely busy! Aldona 16:16, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Hello Aldona,

You was very, very kind. I found the missing page no. 2. Thank you very much for it. Teutzu 24 Aug. 2008

Muller Flute Concerto

Hi Aldona, I am a flute player living in Boston. I was wondering where you found the Muller Flute Concerto? Do you have any other flute concerto by Muller besides the op.6 concerto? Could you please reply back to my email address below? I have few more questions I wanted to ask you about Herr Muller.

sooyun (

Muller Flute Concerto

Dear Aldona,

i am a flute player living in Boston. I was wondering where you found the music to the Muller's Concerto? Do you have any other concerti by Muller besides the Op.6 Concerto? Would you mind emailing me sometime? I have few more questions I would like to ask you..

-sooyun (

Wienia something

I removed the Poldowski - apparently parentheses are not supported in the composer's name. Cheers --Peter talk 07:16, 26 August 2008 (EDT)


Hi Aldona,

You really should have no fear of tagging your uploads :) Especially the pre-1923 cases are relatively simple, all you need is the year of death of composer and editors and add 51/71. Almost all rules we use are described on IMSLP:Copyright Reviewers.

Cheers Peter talk 12:12, 10 September 2008 (EDT)


I have a recording with a clarinet quartet by Müller, in E minor, but apparently not the same as the Clarinet Quartet No. 1 you have scanned in. (On Clarinet Classics, along with works by Spohr and others, a theme album organized around Simon Hermstedt.) (I also don't know when the E minor was written - I don't think the recording provides that information, will have to check that; I think I found information that a quartet of his was written around 1829, but that may refer to the first quartet.) Thoughts?... and thanks! Eric 00:57, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Hi Aldona... got your message, and true I'm interested in Onslow, and in fact played him quite a lot... I've got the original Edition (1852) from all his quintets (with two celli, or cello/db, or two violas) and quite few other things too as photocopies (wind quintet for instance since I saw you are flutist...)... but I'm interested also (and tried to play as much as possible) other great unknowns, or forgotten... since I'm new here, I didn't have much time to investigate much about what is or not on DL, but I'll do it soon... By the way, I've got some musics including a flute, and if you are interested, I could make a list of it (octets, septets,and so on, from few periods, including baroque...)

Schubert octets/wind chamber works

Aldona, I still need to put up the octets/nonet/whatever else is left of wind chamber works, but I've been swamped with my own projects of late. However, I want to make good on my promise, so tell me again (if any updates have occurred in the interim since our last conversation) what exactly (score & parts wise) what we need. I'll try and take care of it in the next week or so. Daphnis 11:21, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Adding opus number to page name

re Arthur H Bird page with missing opus number - opus number goes before comma and composer name, otherwise an error is created. Fixed the one I noticed... Eric 17:31, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Die Zwillingsbruder

Aldona wrote-

I am currently working my way through scanning "Die Zwillingsbruder" and possibly "Die Burgschaft" may be next. (if I can tear myself away from my newly printed score of "Alfonso & Estrella" and my CD player, that is...) Aldona 22:47, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I can upload Zwillingsbruder if you like... (your scanning might be better than my source however. Are you far along?

--Homerdundas 00:10, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Talk:Rosamunde, D.797 (Schubert, Franz)

Hi Aldona,

would you be so good as to check something in Deutsch for me sometime? There's no way I'll be able to look this up in the Baillieu Library until next week-ish.

I posted a note over in the talk page for Rosamunde because of the confusing violin parts (from D 644; and only the overture) which are incorrectly marked "Rosamunde Overture... D.797". I wanted to check out one ambiguous fact, and Deutsch is sure to cover it.

Apparently Schubert had a selection of the D 797 incidental music published in 1827 as Opus 26. One of my sources says this initial publication included the D 644 overture, while another says that in 1827, the only work published at that time was the Romanze, »Der Vollmond strahlt auf Bergeshöh’n«.

In other words, at some later date, "Opus 26" might have grown to include all of the incidental music, rather than just the initial "selection".

So what I would like to know is, when was the D 644 overture first published? In 1827 as part of Op. 26, or sometime later?

The reason isn't to pedantically change the "Rosamunde" overture, which in concert tradition is now well and truly established as D 644. I'm just curious to get to the bottom of the discrepancy. If the D 644 overture was first published posthumously, it would give a little more credence to the letter to Ignaz von Seyfried (FS, 23 November 1826) claiming that D. 759a (Alfonso und Estrella) was supposed to be the "Rosamunde" overture, rather than D. 644 (Die Zauberharfe).

At the end of the day it doesn't matter, but "enquiring minds wish to know"! :)

Oh, and my score of the B minor symphony (some pages intentionally blank) is up.

Regards, Philip Legge @ © talk 18:02, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Schubert manuscript chatter...

1. Hehehe... I'll try and restrict uploads to ‘non-work’ hours to avoid ‘distracting’ you then :) You can expect one more later tonight...

Well, the next challenge is to find scans of the E major symphony (and perhaps also the B minor). Then we’d have almost the full set of the Schubert symphonies: finished, and unfinished. The Baillieu library has the facsimile edition of the B minor, but it is no longer available for staff borrowing rights (grr!).

The Newbould realisation on the other hand can be borrowed but shouldn't be copied, and from memory, there are several facsimile reproductions in the preface, but are all in black and white (double grr!). Any bright ideas on finding the Barnett or Weingartner realisations?

Regards, PML, 15:45, 3 December 2008 (AEDT)

2. All roads lead to Rome - one search for Symphony No. 7 led right back here, so after checking the history I posted this here!
Yay for my Medicare levy, and even bigger cheers now that they can pay me the rebate straight back into my bank account without having to go to the Medicare office...
Regards, PML, 16:18, 3 December 2008 (AEDT)

3. I'm having major problems uploading to IMSLP – anything over 10 MB conks out (and the 64 pp. of Rosamunde Entr’actes 1, 3a, and 5 are ~ 29 MB!)

Also, if you haven’t printed out my version of the B minor Symphony, I suggest you download the new version: the Andante is now complete, there's only one excision from the first movement, and various changes to the final two movements.

Regards, PML, 17:04, 4 December 2008 (AEDT)

4. Finally managed to upload the damn thing... Rosamunde, D.797 (Schubert, Franz) now has more facsimiles. Yay!
Also SeuLunga has both photocopies of the E major Symphony D.729 (from the British Library) and the recent reprint of the Weingartner realisation, which are likely to have copyright review tags of V/V/V and V/V/2013 respectively, if and when it is uploaded: what he doesn't have, hèlas, is a working scanner!
The Weingartner edition may be purchased here for 32€ (+ posting, handling, etc). Although it was published by Universal-Edition originally (74 years ago today), the reprint is by a small custom publishing house.
Regards, PML talk 01:40, 5 December 2008 (AEDT)

Adalbert Gyrowetz

Hello Aldona! I was very delighted to find prints of Gyrowetz, uploaded by you, as Gyrowetz is one of my favorite composer. Thank you very much! I have collected some old prints of his works, which I hope to add later.

Just now I have only two remarks:

  • Divertissement Op. 50: This work is identical to the Notturno No 7.
  • Divertissement Op. 57: This work is identical to the Notturno Nr. 5.

Can you add this to the description of the works? Or is there a simple way for me to do it myself?

Further, many works of Gyrowetz have different titles or opus-numbers. I will send you a list of it later.

Best, Gottsched 12:36, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Schubert String Quintet

Hi, and thanks for all of the Schubert. You're probably busy, but I've noticed that our current scan of the string quintet is rather lacking in quality. I was wondering, could you provide another one (you probably have that edition or another public domain edition), as your scans are always high quality?Snailey Yell at me Email me 19:11, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Scanned collections

Have you seen the collections at the Bavarian library yet?

I don't know if those are completely scanned works though. I need to work out the navigation... I would guess so, given the usual age. They have e.g. Rosenhain's op 41 piano sonata or at least some of it. Best wishes Eric 10:09, 17 January 2009 (EST) (Figured out how to navigate - places you at the beginning of the opus 68 quartets of Krommer, for instance, among many other works they've scanned in - and the left and right arrows will go one page at a time, the +5 and -5 five pages, etc. at the top of the screen... also good enough search features etc., found that link using one of them. Don't know if they have a download pdf link as at urresearch and others, or if one has to try to save each page one by one instead... Eric 10:19, 17 January 2009 (EST)

You might be interested in this

--Leonard Vertighel 18:01, 19 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks for your requests. I have uploaded the first PDFs to the FTP server (folder "Munich Digitization Centre"; ask Feldmahler if you don't have access yet). If you like the result, feel free to submit them to IMSLP (and to post more requests). Let me know if there is anything that you would like to see improved. Thanks again, --Leonard Vertighel 02:47, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Now it is completed

Best Aldona Jones.

No, FINALY, I´ve have done, and uploaded the complte set of my retypeseeting ot Bähreiter 1885 edtion of Mozart´s K.10-15 Trios for violin or flute and piano with optional part för the violoncello.

As I´ve have written the violin part has to be modified to rather a large extent to sute the flute.

When you have time: Please write, and tell me what you think about the trios.


DALTORPS (Brian Cohn)

--DALTORPS(Brian Cohn) 23:42, 25 January 2009 (EST)

Schubert: Die Schöne Müllerin

Aldona, Jim Farrington, the librarian at Eastman (Sibley) has requested that we not post the first edition at IMSLP for the time being because they got it from another library, who apparently is in need of some education about the copyright status of such scans. Since, Eastman has been a friend to IMSLP, I will go ahead and remove the files you just posted so carefully - sorry. Ill let you know when I get the OK from Jim. My apologies for not letting you know in advance - I should have known a Schubert fan like yourself would have been on top of this item like "a duck on a june-bug" as they like to say in the southern part of the USA. Regards, Carolus 13:36, 17 February 2009 (EST)

And I will remove it from upcoming featured scores.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 14:21, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks for letting me know - in the meantime I'll restrict myself to "private study/research and other fair dealings" with this wonderful old score. Aldona 15:16, 17 February 2009 (EST)

After April Fool's Day (or thereabouts), I am informed that an appearance by this piece at IMSLP will not be as likely to be noticed by the bureaucrats at NYPL. So the last laugh wil go to Franz, Yourself, and IMSLP! Cheers, Carolus 03:09, 5 March 2009 (EST)


Hi Aldona. Ive really appreciated the Viotti scores youve posted so far. Ive been working on the 22nd concerto for a couple years now and Ive been assigned to select a violin duo of his this semester. So naturally I want to see them all. Do you have access to any others? Maybe the second part of opus 5? What about violin concerto no.s 30 and 31- the double concertos? Anyways, thanks again!

Viotti- last post


Danish Library

Hi Aldona, Since you're probably the master uploader of items from the above library - a wonderful collection - I'm thinking it would be a good idea to have all of the "Scanner" fields include a direct link back to them. This serves two purposes: 1) It acknowledges their excellent scanning and dedication in making their collection available; and 2) it may encourage others to join you in your rather Herculean task of mirroring their content here. This is the simple link that I've been using on these: [ Det Kongelige Bibliotek]. (Look at one of your recently posted scores to see how it works.) It takes you immediately to the gateway for their digital collection. BTW, the vocal score for BWV 200 is likely absent from the Breitkopf series for the same reason the full score is absent from the BGA - it was only a fragment, unpublished until 1935. Thanks, Carolus 16:16, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

Good to have you back

It was good to see you among the "living" after your long absence. Keep up the Schubert!-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 18:54, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Beriot list updating

Hi, just wanted to quickly say thanks for updating the Charles-Auguste de Beriot list after adding works by him. I wish more people did that! But I guess it's easy to forget...I know I've been guilty of it in the past :-)--KGill 00:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello :)

Hi Aldona,

I keep bumping on your name whenever I try to upload something from the Boije collection some times :)

Are you organised in some way with regards to uploading scores from the collection? It would be nice not to do the same things, so we can avoid redundancies and also finish the project quicker :)

I have started uploading the whole of it, bit by bit (didn't know someone else was doing it too!). I just finished with the Verlag Gitarrefreund editions (a lot of Heinrich Albert, Adam Darr scores, as well as a lot of obscure composers), and I am about to continue to the Freie Vereinigung zur Förderung guter Guitaremusik. I saw you've done Aguado - should I keep away from letter A? :)

Just let me know. Also, let me know if you need any help with the Danish archive, I'd be glad to help with that too.

jujimufu 23:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

IMSLP is indeed growing fast! (very fast - 1,000 scores in the last 3 days!). I have been unable to contribute significantly for the past few (well, bit more than that..) months, but I'm glad I now have some more free time to contribute again :)
About Boije and the Danish Royal Library, I could make a project page for each where we could have a list of composer's names (or alphabet letters) which we have already finished uploading, as well as the composer names (or alphabet letters) each one of us is concentrating on at the moment, so there wouldn't be any redundancies. It would also make life easier for you, because you'd only have to look at one page at a time and see if there are any scores that are not on IMSLP, instead of just browsing about :) (and -of course- if you see composers whose works we have, you can just add them to the list of finished composers). Also, if any other people feel like helping, they could refer to the project page to see what has been done already so they won't waste time trying to figure out which scores we've uploaded and which not.
Sounds good? :)
Have a lovely day, and thank you for your contributions very much - it it doesn't matter how much or how often you contribute, but just that you do. And I think IMSLP would be a much better place if a lot of people contributed a few scores each, rather than a few people contributing a lot of scores. People tend to get very precious about their contributions when they've spent a lot of time on it, but I think that IMSLP (or any other open community project, really) wouldn't work if we were all to claim our part of IMSLP. :)
-jujimufu 10:23, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Heeey! Well done on Georg Meier! I only just year of birth, went to update the page, and you've even got a photo and moved the work pages! Thanks tons :D -jujimufu 00:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

BTW, I finished the collection now - it's all here, neat and nicely: Freie Vereinigung zur Förderung guter Guitaremusik. So, don't bother with any files in the Boije collection that end with "Jahrg. Nr.#, 19##" (usually from 1904 to 1917). homerdundas was also uploading stuff from the Boije and the Danish Royal Library, so I think I will start a project page soon to organise ourselves and finish them more quickly :) -jujimufu 00:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Sibley's publication dating

Hi Aldona, I'd take any dates that Sibley cites for Russian scores with a shaker or two of salt - they are often off by a decade or more. They're a little better with some German issues, but even then the librarian there told me that anything ending in a zero is a guesstimate of which decade something was published in. If you're really interested in getting accurate publication dates (warning - it's hard core musicologist geekdom land), go to the site for the Monatesbericht, which was a monthly journal of new issues from various publishers - mainly in Germany, but also including some French and Russian issues. I usually just put in "n.d." (no date) unless a date actually is printed somewhere in the score (usually the title page or first page of music), unless I happen to have a reason to look up the plate number or check the Monatsbericht. I think we need to give you a Sibley Project medal when the mirror is fnished - thanks for all of the uploads!! 06:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Category:Bach, Johann Ernst picture

Hi Aldona!

Just noticed that the Media:Johann Ernst Bach.jpg|photo you uploaded of Johann Ernst Bach is actually a reversed mirror image of a well-known portrait of CPE... where did you get it from? Regards, Philip Legge @ © talk 00:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


Nice list! I actually already have all 21 necessary items, so you can check that out in the "upcoming" section.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 13:28, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Spohr concertos at Danish library

Found the 15th concerto op. 128 there in violin/piano score - was it only recently uploaded, or am I looking in a different library (this one is , not sure what that is?) All best wishes! Eric 20:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


Dear Aldona, thanks so much for the Op.142! I've been searching that for so long! I don't know why I never tried there, but thanks for doing it! --SeuLunga 03:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

  • I'm glad you like the Ries Sextet! Don't thank me - it was the good people at Sibley who did the hard work, I just pushed a few buttons to move the files from one website to another! It's always fun hunting for things to import from other sites. Aldona 08:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Clara Schumann Romances Op.21

Thanks for your message - I'm glad to hear that! I'll continue to look for Clara, Fanny and Mr. Hummel in my catacombs. Kind regards from --Ralph Theo Misch 16:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I've found this in my cellar :-)) Regards from --Ralph Theo Misch 23:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Constant Lambert - two pictures

Hello. I noticed that you have uploaded two photographs of Constant Lambert to this site. see His Wikipedia entry does not have a photograph, instead a rendering of a painting. I wonder whether you can upload the photos to Wikipedia, or even better to Creative Commons? What is their copyright status? If that can be clarified then I could upload them if you are not a contributor there. I will add that my interest in Lambert is peripheral, but real: A friend is doing tertiary study based on Lambert, and can't stop talking about him. Best wishes, Peter Ellis 04:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Missing first movement for the alto-violoncello of the String Quintet No.15, Op.38 by George(s) Onslow

Hi -- just wanted to alert you to a missing movement -- the alto-violoncello part starts with the second-movement Minuet, so the first movement is missing entirely. All other parts seem complete. Thanks...and thanks for any Onslow at all; what a great neglected composer. Sincerely, Katrina

Schubert lieder

Re the Mandyczewski edition of Schubert lieder etc. from 1895, is there a reason to believe this was the first edition of many to most of them, or of what proportion, etc. ...? HMB is turning up what seem to be earlier publications of some, e.g. a large "Schubert-Album" from 1872 (November-December 1872 HMB) (and I don't know for sure that some of the items in there might not have been published between the 1820s or so and 1872, of course, though the one I was checking, Flüchtling, seems not to have been, or at least not to have been caught in their net.) Eric 17:01, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Trying to persuade an orchestra to take on John's Vuvuzela Concerto

The only way to convince an orchestra these days to put on untested modern music like John's Vuvuzela Concerto is to pay them. I think only afterwards they would realize they would've done it for free if they had had any idea how much fun it would be. Anyway, I'm trying to raise funds: and I've given myself a deadline of two months. Alonso del Arte 22:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Marco da Gagliano

Hallo Aldona. Please, I am looking for a portrait of the Italian composer Marco da Gagliano, but I wish to know the source. You used a picture of him; may you help me? Thank you very much and best regards. --Antonella 13:26, 12 August 2011 (UTC) P.S. Congratulations for your job(s), you do not seem me like a frustrated medico.

Gagliano 2

Many thanks, Aldona. I searched on google image, but I did not found this information, so I tried to ask you… Thank you for your kind answer and nice to meet you! --Antonella 13:12, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Picture of Platti

Hi Aldona,

Werner Jaksch told me, that the picture you have uploaded at the Platti composer page doesn´t show Platti, but one of the Schönborns. (Compare Best regards. Notenschreiber 07:23, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know - I try to source pictures as best I can, but there have been a couple of times a picture was mis-identified. Aldona 06:39, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Da Gagliano, again

Dear Aldona, a user uploaded the image of Marco Da Gagliano on Wikipedia in italian with a GFDL license, but without specifying where this photo comes from (Wikipedia is very rigorous about that). I see that you uploaded the image here, maybe you can give me some more informations. Do you know where is the original and who made the photo? Many thanks! --Anoixe 09:50, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, I read Antonella's talk; if there is no more informations, is not necessary that you answer to me. Thanks --Anoixe 09:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


Hi Aldona,

I´m sorry, but again I must told you, that a picture which you have uploaded doesn´t show the corresponding composer. The picture on the composer page of Lebrun shows obviously a person of the 19th century. Please observe in addition, that Lebrun died in the age of 38, whereas the person in the picture looks definitely much older.Notenschreiber 21:56, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
I removed the picture now from the composer page of Lebrun, I hope that´s o.K. for you. Best regards Notenschreiber 22:17, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Updates for how fields are read

Hello Aldona, It's nice to see you posting again! A couple of things have been changed since you were posting things previously that you might not be aware of: 1) the editor field. This is now actively used - complete with a little template to link the particular editor in question. The template is {{LinkEd|Firstname|Lastname}}. Since this field is now being accessed by the system in many cases, it's best to leave it blank if there is no actual editor named. In the case of works issued in the composer's lifetime, it's assumed the composer was the editor (at least starting in the 19th century) - so there's no need to put anything in the field in that instance either. 2) General Information section - Year of first publication. This is "read" by the system now (as is first performance and year of composition), so it is now important that the 4-digit year alway come first. No "ca." or other modifier should precede it. If the year you are entering is an estimate follow the 4-digit number with a spave and a question mark. More improvements and changes will be upcoming - so keep on posting. Regards, Carolus 04:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


Hi - note that SIBLEY1802.3349.51e1-39087009239890.pdf filepage says that the trio-quartet arrangement file is a duplicate of a file you uploaded from Sibley 2.5 years ago :) Eric 02:58, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Friml, Arrangers and Editors, et al

Hi Aldona, Rudolf Friml (d.1972) cannot be uploaded to the main (Canadian) server as his work is still under copyright there. You'll have to ask one of the admins familiar with uploading items to the US server (Daphnis, Schissel, KGill) to add these to it. I have tagged them all for being moved - but they are accordingly blocked.

I see you've figured out the little template we use for editors {{LinkEd|Firstname(s)|Lastname}}. We have similar ones for arrangers {{LinkArr|Firstname(s)|Lastname}}, librettists {{LinkLib|Firstname(s)|Lastname}}, and translators {{LinkEd|Firstname(s)|Lastname}}. I noticed you were using the editor template for the arrangers, so I thought you might be unaware of the little tools which have been developed. Regards, Carolus 06:37, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually, translators should be LinkTr... :D Eric 02:58, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Méditation (Grey, Charles John)

Re this - where did the date 1900 come from? From the Schott table 1905 looks much more likely... Eric 02:56, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Probably from the information provided by Sibley - I know sometimes their estimates are way out but when I'm sneaking in a quick upload between tasks at work and I don't have time to check the table with the music publisher's dates...I sometimes put down the Sibley date if I don't have any other information to go by. I'm always happy to have it changed by those of superior knowledge and wisdom....Aldona 05:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Sibley's computer program for their digitization project, I was told when I asked, doesn't have a "ca." feature - when they have a piece of music about which they only know it was written in the 1900s (decade or even century) they have to, well... round. In my personal opinion it's better to do a bit of independent research (to the extent one knows where to look I mean! - sometimes there's only so much anyone can find out, too. But plate numbers, Hofmeister at ONB, and other things can be good guides.) Eric 02:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

They seem to have gotten much better with their more recent additions. I get the RSS feed from them every day and haven't noticed the kind of things we see in the older uploads - which could be wildly off, even by decades. Carolus 06:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I think you're right, usually. (And I've noticed more libraries generally using HMB, Pazdirek etc. and even our publisher pages :) to estimate dates now, apparently- all the more reason for us to maintain those with-thought but that's another story...) ... I still chuckle, sort of, at the occasional exception, e.g. that the publication date that Sibley gives for Willy Burkhard's violin sonata (a fairly recent upload, I think) is 1900 (the year he was born). (Now that's precocious :) ) Eric 14:21, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Arranger dates

Hi, You have to watch out for those too - also for authors of texts in songs. Alberto Bachmann (1875-1963) is not free in Canada, so the violin and piano arrangement will have to be moved to the US server (I've tagged it for moving already). That's one of the things which can be tricky about Sibley - they only have to pay attention to US rules. Carolus 06:42, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

“Three New Quartets For Two Violins, Viola and Cello” dedicated to Baron de L'Horme de L'Ile and composed by Léopold Aimon

Dear Aldona, Thank you so much for uploading this piece. Baron de L'Horme de L'Ile was my ancestor and I would like to send you the history behind the music. Can you contact me through this website?

With best wishes,


Others would be interested to know too, especially (though not only) if it adds to information about Aimon's life and music :)? Eric 12:42, 4 March 2012 (EST)

Sorry to disappoint you folks, but I don't think I was the one who uploaded this piece! (I visited the work page and it looks like it was actually Eric/Schissel ??? It came from the Sibley collection so they would probably be the best people to ask about its history. Aldona 15:35, 4 March 2012 (EST)

This quick synopsis might help you to date Aimon’s music more precisely and also shows that it was almost certainly commissioned to commemorate the death of my ancestor; Baron Jean François Marie De L’Horme de L’Ile died, aged 42, in Paris, on the 23rd of February 1819 at his home, 17, Boulevard du Temple. He had spent some time in England helping to restore the French monarchy and had worked in Paris for King Louis XVIII since the Restoration. He once wrote to Gouvion St. Cyr saying how much he loved music and that he devoted a lot of time to it. I believe he played the violin extremely well. He also loved the theatre. He was buried on the 26th of February in Père Lachaise Cemetery in a family vault which is there to this day.

If anyone has played this piece, I would love to hear from you.


Grimm symphony

I don't see a copyright date of 1874 on the score; 1875 seems more likely from Hofmeister. Maybe I'm missing the 1874 - what page is it on? If there is no copyright date on the score, "1874" should be, of course, n.d.(1874) or just n.d. to indicate that there is no date there. Likewise other uploads. Even if Sibley gives a date (and there's some reason to believe they aren't off by a mile... checking HMB is a good idea when possible, there are other sources too) there should almost always be an n.d. unless there's actually a date on the scan itself. That said, have been wanting to see Grimm's symphony for quite some time (and still hoping to hear it :). ) Thanks!! Eric 21:30, 8 March 2012 (EST)

Like I said, I missed it. Thanks and apologies. (Me, I prefer not to be a CR because I'd prefer to use what time I do have for other things, selfishly... ) Eric 17:54, 9 March 2012 (EST)

Costallat and Richault


I thought it might be helpful if you knew about this as the Sibley citations give only the name of the reprint publisher, with their estimated date of reprinting. Richault was sold to Costallat in 1898. Anything with a Costallat imprint bearing a plate number like 12345.R. is actually something issued long before by Richault. Nearly everything of this nature was a plain old reprint of the earlier score (Reicha wind quintets, for example). In Alkan's case some (not all) of the reprints were reviewed by Delaborde (Alkan's son) and I. Philipp. Things actually issued by Costallat have a "C. & C." plate number. Carolus 20:23, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

Melchior Hoffmann

Hi Aldona, I deleted your picture of Melchior Hofmann (rnaissance) on the workpage of Melchior Hoffmann (baroque). Hope, this is o.K. Greetings, Notenschreiber

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