User talk:Kalliwoda

Contents 1 Haydn 2 Welcome and Thuille Sextet Parts 3 Gounod Petite symphonie 4 Alphabet 5 Instrument composition lists 6 Trio sonata titles 7 T. Genin 8 Thieriot 9 Wind Octet Op. 103 10 Strauss, Himmel, Harmonie 11 SLUB 12 SBB 13 Schneider 14 greyscale- 15 Concertos for Winds, Opp.83-90 (Schneider, Georg Abraham) 16 Resolution on BNF files 17 Thumbnail 18 Molter 19 Neue Quelle? 20 RE: ThULB 21 Karlsruhe 22 BNF 23 BNF cURL 24 Quantz 25 Wolf, Oboe Concerto

Haydn

Hallo Kalliwoda. In den IMSLP-Forums habe ich bei der Suche nach Haydns Oktetten gesehen, dass man an HobII:ES12, II:Es13 und II:Es14 anscheinend nicht wirklich rankommt, weil es keine gedruckten Ausgaben gibt. Du hast da allerdings auch geschrieben, dass du diese Werke als Finale-Dateien besitzt. Wäre es wohl möglich, diese Stücke von dir zu erhalten? Vielen Dank für deine Antwort.--Corrrno 13:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Von meiner Seite kannst Du die Noten gerne bekommen. Das Problem dabei ist das Formular der Musikfreunde in Wien, das jede Weitergabe der Werke untersagt, sowie öffentliche Aufführungen nur mit Erlaubnis im jeweiligen Einzelfall gestattet. Du müßtest die Bibliothek der Musikfreunde kontaktieren (office@a-wgm.com) und herausfinden, unter welchen Bedingungen Du die Aufführungserlaubnis für die 3 Oktette erhalten kannst - ich habe damals je Werk 300 ÖSch Schutzgebühr gezahlt, zusätzlich zu den Mikrofilm-Duplikationskosten. Wenn Du z.B. die aktuelle Schutzgebühr bezahlst, hätte die Bibliothek vielleicht keine Einwände wenn Du aus meinen Finale-Dateien spielst. Du solltest auch wissen, daß HobII:Es12 und HobII:Es14 ziemlich sicher nicht von Haydn stammen, und daß die Partitur für HobII:Es 13 aus Stimmen in D-Dur übertragen wurde - die D-Dur Stimmen kann man unter dem Namen Hofmeister (Parthie 3+4) im Rijksarchiv Utrecht (Sammlung der Broederunität Zeist) finden.--Kalliwoda 15:31, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Vielen Dank für deine Infos. Zum Konzert würde es wohl erst in einem Jahr oder so kommen. Sollte ich zuerst in Wien anfragen, oder würdest du mir die Stücke auch erst einmal so senden? Wenn ja, was magst du dafür haben? Und noch eine Frage: Kommt man denn in Utrecht besser an die Sachen ran? --Corrrno 10:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Du solltest in Wien schon zuerst anfragen, je nach Antwort kannst Du mir dann per PM (im Forum) Nachricht geben. In Utrecht habe ich jetzt einmal um Erlaubnis angefragt, die Parthien HobII:Es13 bei IMSLP einzustellen - da warte ich noch auf Antwort. Leider hatte eine ähnliche Anfrage bei der Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde eine eindeutig negative Antwort.--Kalliwoda 12:48, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Mittlerweile habe ich von Wien gehört, dass wir die "Originalkopien" bestellen müssen... Bevor wir die kaufen, wäre ich froh um eine kurze Mitteilung, wieviel du denn für die Transkriptions-Arbeit möchtest, damit wir abschätzen können, ob wir uns das wirklich leisten wollen... Danke --Corrrno 15:59, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Nachdem wir die Haydn-Originale haben, wollte wieder mal nachfragen, wie es um deine Transkriptionen steht... Danke und liebe Grüsse--Corrrno 08:38, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Welcome and Thuille Sextet Parts

Dear Kalliwoda:

Thank you for your recent submissions of parts for the Thuille sextet. They are of excellent quality. If you have any other parts for chamber music I am sure many users would appreciate seeing them uploaded! On behalf of the entire IMSLP community, welcome. --Goldberg988 18:00, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Gounod Petite symphonie

Thanks for posting these parts, they were actually on my to-do list. I'm still going to add the score whenever possible. And very fine quality. You must have been lucky to get a good printing of them. Daphnis 19:03, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

I know - I remember what a music shop showed me, when I wanted to buy a copy about 10-15 years ago - in many places almost unreadable photocopy, only the Billaudot copyright notice and the"photocopie interdite" notice in decent print. I have the score almost finished too - will add it by next weekend. Kalliwoda 2:08, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

Fantastic, thanks much. Daphnis 08:50, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

Kalliwoda, what happened with the Gounod Petite symphonie score? Daphnis 00:04, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, that happens when you start postponing for some other more urgent things - will post very soon --Kalliwoda 15:51, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Just another friendly bump for the score... Daphnis 03:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Finally done, happy holidays!--Kalliwoda 19:35, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your nice work! Daphnis 19:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Alphabet

Hallo Kalliwoda, ich habe deine Änderung an Category:Böhm, Georg rückgängig gemacht, da es im Deutschen üblich ist, die Umlaute "ä", "ö" und "ü" im Alphabet unter "a", "o" respektive "u", und nicht unter "ae" etc. einzuordnen. --Leonard Vertighel 15:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Genauer gesagt, in deutschen Lexika etc., was wohl am ehesten als Vorbild für IMSLP heranzuziehen ist. Im Telefonbuch wird in der Tat nach "ae" etc. sortiert. --Leonard Vertighel 15:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Richtig: Du hattest ja Oskar Böhme korrigiert, während ich den "Defaultsort" von Böhm kopierte und dabei die Korrektur à la Telefonbuch vornahm. Als ich das merkte, da habe ich selbst schon noch einmal in einem Lexikon nachgeschaut - man lernt immer noch dazu, selbst in seiner Muttersprache. Die Zettelkataloge in der Stabi bzw Stadtbibliothek hier in Berlin benutzen aber ebenfalls die "Telefonbuch"-Sortierung!

Im Brockhaus und im Duden jedenfalls ist ä unter a, nicht unter ae einsortiert. Ein weiteres Argument für diese Sortierung ist, dass nicht-deutschprachige Benutzer wohl nie darauf kämen, ä unter ae zu suchen. --Leonard Vertighel 20:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Instrument composition lists

Dear Kalliwoda. I have just read your message on the forum, and wanted to reassure you that the pages are still exactly where they were, and have not been deleted or edited in any way. The only change is that the links to them have been moved to the new categories (Scores featuring the oboes, Scores featuring the bassoon, etc.), because some people were not scrolling down to find them in their old position. This was designed to make them easier to find, and there is a notice at the top of the old page explaining the change, but I am truly very sorry if this has upset you — P.davydov 06:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC).

Trio sonata titles

Hi, are you absolutely certain they need to be moved to different titles? If all of TWV 42 is for 2 violins and continuo, I'm wondering if it's even necessary...(and assuming it is, could you please name them '2 Violins and Continuo' instead of '& B.c.'?) Thanks, KGill _{talk email} 17:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see the one for oboe d'amore. But still, we have a new categorization system in progress, and these works can all be listed in separate pages. KGill _{talk email} 17:59, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I think the Telemann page (and also Quantz) became really unfriendly to the browsing user - dozens of Triosonatas and no quick way to see which are not for 2 violins, or 2 flutes (to name the most frequent instrumentations). The category walker is nice for this, but not that obvious to a first time browser. No problem with adding "Continuo", but I can also hold off a few more days to see how other people feel about longer workpage titles.--Kalliwoda 18:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree that some of the composer pages can be a bit confounding. Maybe it would be best to ask on the forums about this? KGill _{talk email} 18:11, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok, so I will repeat here in English what I just wrote on my page in German: I prefer to use just Trio Sonata because it is shorter, keeps all sonatas in some kind of order by their key (through the TWV number) and furthermore the instruments can be switched in many cases without big problems (some sonatas even explicitly state vioin or flute). --Boccaccio_{Talk Email} 18:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

T. Genin

Hi. Do you think it's likely that Genin is this person? Or would you say it's safe just to go with this? KGill _{talk email} 22:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Given that the full name is T. Genin jeune, and the sextuor is dedicated to the memory of his father, I would think it more likely that he is the son of Toussaint Genin (1841-). But a good guess would be that his first name is Toussaint as well.--Kalliwoda 22:55, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

A good guess, but I can't find any information to definitively establish a connection between the two. Hopefully more will turn up... KGill _{talk email} 23:04, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

BNF thinks so, anyway- an overture, Patrie!, for wind band, ascribed to Genin (T.) (jeune) in BdlF 1884 (p.594) is attributed to Toussaint Genin in BNF. I don't know whether BNF is guessing or the score actually says, though. Eric 06:51, 28 June 2014 (EDT) - ah. in fact, the reason they ascribe the wind overture Patrie! by T. Genin (jeune) to Toussaint Genin, rather than, say, to Thomas Who-knows-Who Name Chosen at Random Genin, is because it seems "Toussaint Genin" (the younger, presumably...) won an award with it, and then "T. Genin (jeune)" published it, hence it seems likely that they're the same person (not that there couldn't be at least two "T. Genin (jeune)"s, one of the other ones being the composer of the Sextet... whose workpage-name should probably be anglicized under our guidelines, btw... ) Eric 07:07, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

Thieriot

Ah- thanks!! Eric 15:43, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Wind Octet Op. 103

Kalliwoda, Can you please list more information regarding the Henle 2008 Critical Edition? I would like to purchase a copy but can't seem to find it. Thank you! Sincerely, JPBUGA

Unfortunately, at the moment this is only available as score, no parts, in the volume "Beethoven: Kammermusik mit Blasinstrumenten, Hsg. Egon Voss". Very pricey: HN4171 paperback 264 euro/432 $, HN4172 hardcover 273 euro/446 $. Try to find a library with a copy... It may also be difficult to find on the Henle Website, because it is named Parthia. --Kalliwoda 21:53, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I found it at another state university. JPBUGA

Strauss, Himmel, Harmonie

Corrections, one by one:

Just fixed the Strauss; the op.4 was definitely wrong.

The Rietz was slightly different. Thanks, Kalliwoda for retagging -- I always worry about pieces that need corrections because once tagged, they can't be found on the "untagged" page, so we have to wait till someone catches a problem and brings it to our attention. The only issue was that the "concertante" was strictly not correct, because we have to tag by title. "Concertante" can only be used if it's in the title; a Konzertstuck has to be tagged as a "piece".

Don't worry about unknown tags. Davydov goes through every once in a while to see what is in the "unknown tag" category. He checks for mistakes, and if correct, adds to the list of approved tags. After that, it will appear on a search list.

Voted for 'Harmonie'. (Steltz)

Or, now, as a Concertino(s) (hope it's been retagged - which concertstucke was this? Who's on first? :) ). And we don't tag by title/subtitle exactly (this is a misconception); please don't tag a work "melodies" even if its title is melodies, for instance, unless it's also - besides melodies being part of the title or subtitle - a French art song -with voice- - that's actually in the tagging rules. &c. ... Eric 07:10, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

SLUB

Here is how I get the files (music) from SLUB. Greetings...Generoso 01:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

SBB

Hallo, Kalliwoda, die Musiksammmlung der Staatsbibliothek Berlin hat so ziemlich alles, was das Herz begehrt - und noch viel mehr. Liege ich richtig in der Annahme, dass sich Ihr Domizil quasi in der Nähe all unseres Wünschens und Trachtens befindet? Herzliche Grüße von --Ralph Theo Misch 00:25, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Nicht gar so nahe (20 min. S-Bahn). Der große Vorteil der Stabi (SBB ist für mich die Schweizer Bundesbahn) ist ja die Möglichkeit, relativ billig selbst zu kopieren (0.06 per page) - und ab dem Sommer auch zu scannen. Habe da viel Bläserkammermusik in Kopien angesammelt, aber auch jetzt darf man noch alles ab 1850 kopieren was noch in gutem Zustand ist (außer es ist unter copyright). Da kann ich schon mal was kopieren und dann einscannen, wenn jemand bei imslp es dringend braucht und es nicht so viele Seiten sind... Nur schade, daß "Kammermusik" kein Sammlungs-Schwerpunkt ist wie bei der BSB.--Kalliwoda 07:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Danke für die Antwort! Wahrscheinlich erzähle ich nichts Neues: Die Stabi hat auch damit begonnen, die Musikaliensammlung zu digitalisieren ([1]). Es hat ein Weilchen gedauert, bis ich dahintergekommen bin, dass die besten Resultate via WERKZEUGKASTEN - PDF-Download zu erzielen sind. Indes habe ich eine Bestellung dort aufgegeben - es dürfte ca. sechs bis acht Wochen dauern, bis sie bei mir eintrifft. Bin gespannt.... Wenn Sie demnächst Gelegenheit dazu hätten, mir dies zu kopieren, wäre ich überaus glücklich! Übernehme auch alle Kosten (Kopien und Porto; scannen würde ich auch selber). Herzliche Grüße --Ralph Theo Misch 12:33, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Ist meine Mail (schon ein Weilchen her) angekommen? - Bin mir nie so ganz sicher, ob das immer funktioniert... Grüße von --Ralph Theo Misch 22:35, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Schneider

Philadelphia Free Library lists Schneider op.87 as an arrangement of Schneider's opus 83. so it doesn't outright say that the orchestral parts are identical- indeed I'm a little surprised they are, since I would have expected Schneider would have modified the accompaniment to suit the soloist (concerto writer in a great hurry there?... :( ) - but they do show that one is an arrangement of the other and list identical lists of instruments for both of them... Eric 14:07, 24 April 2011 (UTC) (as to the rest - sorry! - I did notice the bassoon concerto and one or two of the others and at least guessed they were related to the opus 83 also. I will check out the link vsoon- need to merge the file i just uploaded *whoops*- and can try to read it at least, I often find I get by up to a point- well, up to a point...) -- also, added your research to the main content of the page, as an 'extra information' section... will upload the flute part to the page later and also the parts from the solos of the other scanned-in versions. nice site, sbb, despite the large mb/page ratio. still, liking it. works by Urspruch, the manuscript of Schumann op60, other things-what's not to like? Eric 14:20, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Note:we already have uploaded, I now see, what appears to be one such arrangement- qv Schneider’s Basset Horn Concerto. Eric 14:45, 24 April 2011 (UTC) odd- op.90 is not in his list? its orchestral parts also- from a skim, admittedly, not a bar-by-bar look- but also seem to be identical to those of op.87...

My mistake, I just compared the solo parts, and they are quite different, I changed the note on the flute concerto page accordingly--Kalliwoda 15:23, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

ok, I'll re-change the line on the basset horn concerto page (and take 2 aspirin :);):) ) I only compared the orchestral parts, but only skimmed them quickly, the opening of the first violin parts and their overall layouts- they did seem identical though... Eric 15:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

also, made a suggestion on the template talk page for editing the SBB template - will it be too much bother for regular users of it too if the suggestion is implemented (not that everyone will have to use it of course)? Eric 18:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I added a note how the permanent url for the Stabi entries can easily be found via the kvk - since the stabi scans will have to be somewhat postprocessed to reduce size, this will be for more experienced contributors anyway. Actually, the copyright notice on the first page of the downloads from Stabi states that the scans can be used under a CC-attributition-noncommercial licence. So the url link is really important to include to scare off those commercial resellers like loadCD.--Kalliwoda 20:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Hrm. releasing them under a CC-nc license does seem a good idea- especially if that will keep all parties happier (except for load.cd :) - which fails to bother me, somehow...) Yes... Eric 20:38, 24 April 2011 (UTC) unfortunately ,scans must be public domain- we'd have to use 'new compositions' - "Scans must be public domain. If you composed the music yourself, or have permission from the composer, select 'New Compositions' instead." - E.

...correct, and I didn't think of uploading the scans with a cc-at-nc licence, but to include the url link would not bother imslp users and fulfill the "attribution" wish of the Stabi folk

KGill has made the change to the SBB template to allow more specific linking via the template specifically as with some other templates (somewhat like the SLUB one from the looks of it. not documented yet, just saw the change via watchlist :) ) Eric 00:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

greyscale-

quite true, I need to fix that in the information sections - and when they are useless as performing material I hope they can still be made useful. no worries, fwiw I take criticism as well as (well, --better-- than) I take the praise that led me to undertake the project yesterday. Thank you. Eric 14:53, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

going to reprocess a few of the files at higher resolution and reupload. I had noticed the same problem myself and based on my experiences trying to comprehend text and sometimes notes in the scan of the Pappalardo quartet PDF I'm trying to typeset, should have considered that... Eric 15:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Concertos for Winds, Opp.83-90 (Schneider, Georg Abraham)

Looks good!! Eric 02:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Resolution on BNF files

Hi Kalliwoda - thanks for the email. I really do not have the time or the required software to take the raw jpegs and make higher-resolution pdfs from them. It was a chore in itself to download all the scores, crop them and remove the extra pages - which I have already completed for 170 files. One thing to consider is that while the resolutions are not great, the size of the page is very large (something like 14"x18.5") and when printed on standard sized paper they are thoroughly readable. Perhaps some time in the future better quality pdfs could be rendered, but I just don't have the time or expertise to undertake it. Massenetique _{talk email} 02:13, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

fair enough, and your uploads are very readable (I wouldn't have the time to process as many files as you have done). Actually size may be the reason why the download of the Vanhal quartets was so low resolution, as the originals are pretty small.--Kalliwoda 06:13, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Thumbnail

Hallo, Kalliwoda, als ich mir die Datei ansah, entpuppte sie sich als Pdf-Dokument (das ich nicht öffnen konnte). Ich habe nun einfach die Titelseite der Violinstimme kopiert und ins Jpg-Format umgewandelt. Ich hoffe, dass es so gemeint war. Liebe Grüße! --Ralph Theo Misch 07:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Vielen Dank für die Hilfe. Ja, da hatte ich erst nach den Instruktionen geschaut, als das Problem auftauchte. Hatte dann auch schon den Titel in jpg verwandelt und als neue Datei gespeichert. Da hast Du dann meine letzte Modifikation innerhalb von wenigen Minuten noch einmal ersetzt. Apropos "Il Pastor Fido": Bisher hast Du anscheinend nur die Partituren hochgeladen, da könnte ich die Stimmen beitragen, wenn Du sie nicht hast.--Kalliwoda 07:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Die Stimmen zum getreuen Hirten sind leider nicht aufgetaucht. Es wäre sehr nützlich, wenn Du sie beitrügest - die Notenzeile für's Melodieinstrument ist ziemlich klein in der Partitur. --Ralph Theo Misch 08:19, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Molter

Hallo Kalliwoda. Schön zu sehen, daß es jetzt endlich erste Digitalisate von Molter aus Karlsruhe gibt und du sie hier hochlädst (ich bin leider momentan zu sehr im Streß um hier noch groß was beizutragen). Wäre es aber nicht besser Links nach Karlsruhe der Form http://digital.blb-karlsruhe.de/id/173338 zu benutzen? Das scheinen die dauerhafteren zu sein, falls die irgendwann einmal beschließen ihre Webseite umzugestalten (Vielleicht kann man auch einfach ein Template für Karslruhe erzeugen?). --Boccaccio_{Talk Email} 17:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Have changed my uploads to the format you suggested. As of today Karlsruhe even has pdf-downloads, unfortunately only in moderate resolution (1000 pixel), which does not matter that much for the manuscripts, but is less than optimal for their scans of prints. Getting the highest resolution by screen capture (3500 pixel) is a lot of work, especially for an entire set of parts.

Can't one just download the jpe files they offer one after the other using a download manager like curl? I will give it a try later this day when I have some time available.--Boccaccio_{Talk Email} 07:43, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

They disabled the option to save the high-res jpegs about two weeks ago, its now a tile-based system like in Milano, you can open individual 300x300 tiles and then access them all via modifying the url (.../4/0/0.jpg is the lower left corner, /4/8/14.jpg is the upper right corner, that are 135 tiles). Now if you know of a program to download and assemble them all, that would be very useful...For the autograph scores one could stick to the lower quality pdf-files, it is just a shame for parts that could be used for performance if they would have high enough resolution. But I have another question: Should I remove the library info bar on the bottom of every page before uploading to imslp--Kalliwoda 08:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)?

For the Viola da gamba Concerto I linked to above, downloading via curl works flawlessly for me: curl 'http://digital.blb-karlsruhe.de/image/view/1750[81-94]' -o 'MWV_9_11_#1.jpg' One just has to find out by hand what the first and last page of the corresponding work is. The resulting pictures are of the order of 800 x 1200 pixel, but they are clearly readable. The same also works for the prints. --Boccaccio_{Talk Email} 18:56, 2 June 2011 (UTC) Ok, so I just converted the downloaded files into a pdf. The result is a file approximately half the size of the one offered by the BLB. In addition, the quality of the pictures in my file is even slightly better. SO probably, this is the way to proceed with Molter. --Boccaccio_{Talk Email} 19:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you can also save the jpg using curl or similar, but that is even lower resolution than the jpg (and the reason for the smaller file size).The pdf as download for the viola da gamba concerto has 1000x1581pixel dimensions, the saved jpg you get with curl has 704x1115 pixel. Since both have the BLB logo at the bottom, one might just stick to the pdf they offer, but delete the first page. Unfortunately, for their scans of late 19th century prints the 1000 pixel resolution is much less easy to read.--Kalliwoda 19:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

But then I don't understand why the pdf I created displays a larger image at 100% zoom in my okular pdf viewer than the one I download from BLB... --Boccaccio_{Talk Email} 19:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how I got the 704x1115 size, cannot reproduce it. Instead http://digital.blb-karlsruhe.de/image/view/175081 is 904x1463 pixel. But since the jpegs are by default at 72dpi, that translates to 31.9x51.6cm. The same page extracted from their pdf is very similar in resolution (1000x1581) but is 18.1x29.7cm at 140dpi. Both seem to be equally clear if viewed side by side in photoshop. The latter should be easier to print out for the casual user of imslp.--Kalliwoda 20:19, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Neue Quelle?

Hallo, Kalliwoda, hast Du dies schon gesehen: ThULB? - Sieht sehr gut aus... Grüße von --Ralph Theo Misch 00:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, Danke für den Tip, war mir neu - hätte ich aber heute bemerkt wegen der uploads bei Caprotti. Bisher noch nichts mit Oboe, aber es gibt schon ein Stücke in Vorbereitung: E.Pauer Quintuor... Die Digitalisate tauchen auch über den KSV unter GBV-Verbund auf.--Kalliwoda 14:17, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

RE: ThULB

Hallo Kalliwoda, habe auf meiner Seite geantwortet - ebenfalls auf Englisch (da es ja nicht nur uns interessiert). Herzliche Grüße! --Ralph Theo Misch 09:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

RE Sigla Hello Kalliwoda Do you have any experience with sigla.rsl.ru digital collection?. It includes splendid imperial Russian works and arrangemnts from Jurgenson etc. From my point of view there were about 20 excellent viola works there. Unforunately some of them are illegal on IMSLP eg Walker sonata va pt ed Tertis.(check the nice recording on you tube) Dowloading was easy, an all the files are good black on white. Unfortunately some of them are members only eg Herzogenberg Legenden. One tip: if you find a file coming up in their special reader, just click the button on the far top right to doownload. You don't need to copy individual pages as with Jena. Also I just uploaded Gillet's Oboe Fantasie for you and other oboists to enjoy. Regards WB

Oh, Thanks! Unfortunately, I have already problems deciphering cyrillic, so I have not looked into this site - I guess I could do it by clicking on everything and see were it leeds. No english version? --Kalliwoda 07:43, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't know the Cyrillic alphabet or read the languages that use it either, but I attempt to read some Russian by following the (top-or-side-screen) links from en.wikipedia.org (or de.wikipedia.org - whichever is native :) , the first in my case, I mean, etc.) to ru.wikipedia.org and seeing what words correspond, that sort of thing, using search engines, building notes until I get closer to what I need... probably still get a lot of it wrong but... Eric 15:25, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Re reading cyrillic on sigla. I did Russian at high school so have the basics. If you tell me what you want I'll have a search around. They seem to have some gems such as piano versions of many standard works.I find these more informative than miniature scores in terms of understanding the harmony. They also have Borissovsky's (va player in the major Rus st qt of the 1930-60 period) viola library. Regards WB

Thank you for your kind offer. I found some english information, and a basic search is possible with latin alphabet keywords, see here http://elibrary.rsl.ru/?menu=s35/elibrary/elibrary4483/elibrary44835057/&lang=en. Maybe this page link should be put on the music score collections page.--Kalliwoda 22:45, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

It seems as if the publishing works of the 19th Century was dominated by Latin letters. E.g. I have tried to land more hits by typing cyrillic letters for 'Victor Ewald' and 'Harmonium' (the Russian word, of course) - harmonium: no hits, Ewald: the same results as 'in Latin'. --Ralph Theo Misch 23:06, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Typing in skripki (violin, genetive case) in cyrillic, using the virtual keyboard, yielded one oddity, a Russian violin tutor by a German composer pub by Bernard of St P in the 1860s WBunting

Karlsruhe

have noticed that all the Karlsruhe works I've downloaded have been dedicated to the nobility- at a guess, perhaps the library was where a copy of all works dedicated to the nobility ended up? Just guessing, though- nice policy though (dedicate a work to a member of the von Fürstenberg family, have a copy of the work when published, or earlier on, a manuscript, preserved in BLB :) - do you suppose it worked like that? ) Eric 15:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

No, the Fürstenberg family was not that generous. They had a very fine library in Donaueschingen, which you could visit, also get photocopies for a fee. But starting in the 1980's, valuable manuscripts were sold in auctions until finally the state government of Baden-Württemberg bought the entire collection. The music collection was aquired in 1999 and transferred to the BLB in Karlsruhe. The "Dedicata" are just the first set of scores to be digitized. http://www.blb-karlsruhe.de/blb/blbhtml/besondere-bestaende/musik/donaueschinger-musikalien.php (in German)
The Molter manuscripts and some early prints (Kalliwoda) have always been in the collections of the former "Court and State Library of the Grand Duke of Baden", which was renamed "Badische Landesbibliothek" in 1918 (see http://www.blb-karlsruhe.de/blb/blbhtml/allgemeines/blb-geschichte-eng.php).

BNF

Lieber Kalliwoda! Da ich in deinem Porträt gesehen habe, daß du Deutscher bist, können wir die Kommunikation ja etwas erleichtern. Vielen Dank für die technischen Hinweise. In der Tat habe ich mich über diese qulitativen Mängel auch schon gewundert, wenn man bedenkt, daß das ja nun große Staatsbibliotheken sind. Ich versuche nun mal durch deinen Text weiter durchzusteigen. Herzliche Grüße Bassani

Hello K Would you mind commenting on my latest efforts from BNF (Echos du Danube etc)? I can't resist C-clef works as you can see. Regards WB
Well, my personal preference is clear: Those 600pixel max direct downloads from BNF are very poor, this one is just blurry, but others may be completely unreadable. Have you tried to use the zoom display and save single pages (this is of cause more work, with or without curl).
http://gallica.bnf.fr/proxy?method=R&ark=btv1b9010011c.f2&l=3&r=0,0,5200,4200&save In this string l=4 would be about twice the resolution of your uploads, which are l=3, and maybe an acceptable compromise between readability and small file size. l=6 are the largest resolution scans (about 5200x4200 pixel). I used those pixel values to be sure the entire scan is displayed, if something is cut-off, you can just increase these margins. You can change pages by f1...f40, and change to a different work by changing the work identifier btv1b9010011c. And you could use cURL to download all 40 scans automatically to your computer (see the hints by Boccaccio above)

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Hallo Kalliwoda.. Danke sehr für die grosse Erklärung du schriebst über mein Talk page... (Ist das richtig ?... Hmmm... I will pursue in English) Boccaccio told me that cURL was a possibility, about one year before, but I had problems to put it on my PC, errors messages after others errors messages then I irritated and remove all... is Terminal only for Mac ? Ich bin sehr dumm mit Computer technik... May be I shall stop to upload this kind of score ? --Squin 17:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC) Hallo The problem is that with I=6, pdf files are very very big...Is it possible to reduce weight after with quasi-same quality ? or before with jpg pages ? What do you use for that ? Thanks --Squin 06:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Quantz

Thank you for asking- actually, you cleared up my writing while adding to the value of the page- appreciated! all's good, all's very good :) Best!!! Eric 20:19, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Wolf, Oboe Concerto

Absolutely -- and thanks for changing it. Steltz 16:44, 27 August 2011 (UTC)