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Can someone link to the wishlist from the main page?

There's already a request for this on the talk page of the main page... we'll let Leonard decide how to deal with it, since he's redesigning the IMSLP interface atm :) --Feldmahler 16:33, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Near outline?

It is really annoying with all this discussion-entries inbetween the request... Is anybody else aware of this? --Funper 21:16, 1 March 2007 (EST)


Nice wishlist, but there probably should be some integration (links) to that page from other relevent pages. --Feldmahler 01:00, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

Crossed-out entries - Files have been uploaded for these items. Does that mean these can be deleted from the list? does the IMSLP have a policy about duplicates? i.e. if two people upload different editions of the same work are both maintained? --Sphemusator 12:14, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

I think we should delete satisfied requests, perhaps a week or so after the file is posted. I also suggest that we delete "unsatisfiable" requests for things under copyright, after posting an explanation. I see no need to retain these items indefinitely. Does anyone else have an opinion? If no one disagrees, I'll do this after a while. Physicist 12:28, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

I agree I think it would be fine to remove items that have been added. However I'm not sure we should totally delete the "unsatisfiable" requests because many of them will become public domain some day and it's kinda fun to list them. I do however think they should be clearly marked like what is under the Gershin section and what you put under the Glass section. I hope the goal of IMSLP is to last for a while so it is nice knowing when a score goes into the public domain. --Horndude77 23:14, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
Okay, I'm deleting the satisfied requests; I'll leave the works under copyright, though we might consider moving them to their own page. Physicist 15:04, 21 August 2006 (CDT)

Friedman/Bach

I have the transcription by I. Friedman of the Bach "wachet auf," as requested; should I put this under Bach, or Friedman? I have already posted a transcription of Gluck's Melodie by Sgambati that I feel is so far removed from the original I put it under Sgambati's name; I'm not so sure about the Friedman.--Goldberg988 18:07, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Might be good to just put it under Friedman, since the request is specifically for the transcription :) Plus, the Bach category is already overloaded as it is... --Feldmahler 18:56, 29 December 2006 (EST)


CPDL/WIMA

Which relations do exist between the IMSLP (the contributors, respectively) and other public domain score projects, as for example CPDL (http://www.cpdl.org/) or WIMA (http://www.icking-music-archive.org/) which are also projects with thousands of free scores, the first a wiki as well. Couldn't they be made sister projects - as Piano Society is a sister project now? It would be clever rather to cooperate instead of scan hundreds of scores new which are already scanned there, so we could save much time. Pausanias 08:20, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

It would be worthwhile for IMSLP to consider incorporating a certain number (not necessarily all!) of the scores of these libraries, as has been done for Project Gutenberg score archive. There are one or two issues with doing this:
  • The CPDL and WIMA host submissions from hundreds of different contributors, and it will not be sufficient to just download files from one website and upload to IMSLP. In many cases the contributors will retain copyright on their typeset, and may have imposed restrictions on the files which are incompatible with the licensing adopted here at IMSLP. As a contributor to both CPDL and this site, I have already had one thorny issue to raise on this subject, here.
  • Unlike IMSLP the scores registered at CPDL may be hosted off-site, and therefore there is no guarantee that any CPDL contributor will have given permission their work to be hosted anywhere else. In this respect CPDL acts more like a catalogue, by including references to external scores, rather than acting as a central repository (something of a strength and a weakness).
  • Irrespective of the above, the contributors of typesets should be informed if their work is incorporated here, merely as a courtesy. To date, I don't believe very many of those who've uploaded files obtained from elsewhere have tried to contact the original contributors of the works to inform them of this. The potential then exists for one of these contributors to take a hostile stance, because of their perception that the IMSLP has attempted to take their work without permission.
Philip Legge @ © Φ 03:02, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Scanning on demand by libraries

I would like to broach the subject of scanning-on-demand of rare scores by libraries. These scans tend to be very good raw material to process into playing copies for IMSLP. In my experience they are full-colour or greyscale images at anywhere from 300 to 600 dpi and delivered (mostly on CD-ROM) as .TIFF, .JPG or single-page .PDFs. Often the whereabouts of the originals can be found through OCLC WorldCat which is rapidly improving, though there are important information gaps where catalogues have not been digitised yet or simply not linked into WorldCat.

But. In most cases it is expensive for members of the general public to have these scans made. I recently paid a university in Germany 75 Euro to scan a 75-page score, and similar charges are levied all over the world. The Library of Congress goes so far as to charge 14 US dollars up-front just to go and inspect the document, and give you an estimate of the reproduction charges. Again, there are important exceptions, such as the Sibley at Rochester University that let the general public request entries for their scanning queue, and not only do they then scan the document for free, they put a copy into IMSLP. But more often the charges are hefty. I don’t know about you, but I can’t afford 75 Euro extravaganzas more than once or twice a year.

In the United States, there is a way around these charges. If you have ascertained that the work is in the holdings of one library, you then find a friend who uses another library and ask him/her to request an Inter-Library Loan (ILL) for the item. The library that holds the item will not let a rare document out of the house, so they scan it and send the CD-ROM. But since it is an ILL, it’s free. The procedure works smoothly between university libraries, but will conceivably also apply to public libraries and to the Library of Congress as the lender of last resort.

In Europe the situation is less clear, at least to me from where I sit (New Zealand.) Even as I write this I am looking at the Bibliothèque Nationale Française who have a piece of music that I crave, but for which I would have to pay approximately 60 Euros in scanning charges. However, it would seem that BnF interlibrary loans incur the same charges as dealing with them straight. (Note: I think there potentially are rich pickings at the BnF. Their catalogue has almost a million items of sheet music, including scads of delightful forgotten 19th century French chamber works. The digitisation of a million handwritten tags will take them until 2013 and you have to correspond with a librarian to find any holdings.)

Now to cut my rambling short, I would like to propose two things both adjunct to the wish list:

  • 1. A bit of a knowledge base about how scan-on-demand works in different parts of the world, and about how to minimise reproduction charges.
  • 2. A network of people with the right affiliations who are willing to relay ILL requests at least in the US. Hopefully there would also be some people who can get things done at European libraries. I am sure IMSLP can find a corner of the site to deposit the raw scans for download by the wish list requester.

I am looking forward to seeing your comments.

Dekock 21:26, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Brahms op. 25 four hand

Brahms' piano quartet No.1 (four hand transcription) and many other early prints of this composer are availible at www.brahms-institut.de. The transcription of op. 25 at http://www.brahms-institut.de/web/bihl_notenschrank/ausgaben/op_025.html.

--Ralph Theo Misch 18.07.2009, 23:29

Ivdruisz posted all of their stuff a while back (he also did the Handel edition - we don't give out IMSLP stars for free!) - sometimes the wishlist doesn't get updated. If he missed the transcriptions, feel free to upload them yourself!-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 12:44, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion

Not so much a rule as a suggested guideline... if a workpage already exists, and a wishlist request is e.g. for a full score when all that exists is a part or a piano reduction, people can put it on their watchlist and will be notified when new files are uploaded. The wishlist is more useful generally for informing people - in my opinion - when whole workpages, when can't be 'watched' for so readily, have been added to the site. Thoughts? ... Eric 20:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

UASP

The Ukrainian Art Song Project is an important set of works to add to this catalogue. It is all public domain, administered by Musica Leopolis. So far, the complete works of three Ukrainian composers have been released, with dozens more on the list.

--Jimsheep 16:57, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
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