Talk:List of works by Mily Balakirev

Wikipedia and other sources seem to agree with each other (and to disagree with this list, and with the 'piano sonata opus 5' page on this site) that Balakirev's sonata of 1856-57 is his sonata op.5, while his sonata of 1900-5, instead, is either without opus or was given an opus number of 102. Is there anything definite and established on this? Eric 04:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

This seems to be a mistake in the list here. According Grove the Sonata from 1855/56 is Sonata No.1, Op.5. (Interesting remarks: 3 movts only, adapted from an early Bol'shaya sonata, op.3; pt. of 1st movt used later in Scherzo No.2, 1900, 2nd movt rev. as 2nd movt of Sonata, 1900-05, and as Mazurka No.5, 1900.) The actual 2nd Sonata from 1900-05 has no opus number.
But to make it more complicated, I've just had a look at the Könemann edition of the 1856 Sonata. In the notes one can read: This sonata is a version of his youthful one, written in 1856-57. In the first edition this sonate was wrongly titled First sonata op.5. Balakirev considered his only sonata another one, written in 1905 and dedicated to Liapounov. However, I still tend to move the 1856 Sonata to Piano Sonata No.1, Op.5 and his 1905 to Piano Sonata No.2. What do you think? Hobbypianist 07:38, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree- yes, I wonder about the origin of the references to sonata no. 2 as op. 102, which I see here and there, but it seems not universally agreed-to... Wish I could find out just because such things tweak my interest *g* (I don't think I've heard either work unfortunately. I think I'd like them very much- I've seen at least one in score, I know, before IMSLP-days ;) ) Of course before moving *g* having looked at the 1856-57 sonata can you confirm whether Piano Sonata, Op.5 (Balakirev, Mily) is the first or second sonata btw :) - I assume it's the second just mislabeled as to opus, but you actually have seen the first sonata and (if you remember it or have it before you?) can compare them... Thanks! (It may be that the 1856-7 sonata wasn't even published until after the date on that page, making my question moot, or something- but I have to ask of course- silly and obvious question though it is, apologies for which...) Eric 13:49, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

The files are correct, I've compared both with the printed Könemann edition. The first edition of the 1856-7 sonata appeared in 1951 by Muzyka (according notes in Könemann edition). The pages have been moved. Hobbypianist 16:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Eric 00:57, 8 September 2010 (UTC)