Talk:Lieder (Schumann, Robert)

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I'm going to suggest this: it'd be nice (and almost necessary) to have the files split into separate files based on Opus number... so please do so if you would like to and have the time :) Otherwise, I might start this as a small project. --Feldmahler 11:13, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Time? Time? Have you ever heard of people having time :) I wonder how many hours I already have spent on IMSLP...--Peter 11:17, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
Haha... indeed. I've spent a huge amount of time on IMSLP myself, so I totally understand... but just hoping that there's a very slim chance someone loves Schumann enough to split the files :) --Feldmahler 14:39, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
Do you happen to know if that can be accomplished with free software on a Linux box? --Leonard Vertighel 14:42, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
pdftk :-) (Except for scanning, I do everything on my Linux boxen. Someday that'll be remedied with a new scanner...) --Emeraldimp 16:54, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
Thanks Emeraldimp. Should each Op. go on a separate work page? --Leonard Vertighel 17:36, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
Yes. --Funper 18:31, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
Yes :) --Feldmahler 18:39, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
How great that you all agree ;) I'm uploading now up to Op.48. I'll do the rest tomorrow. Those files that have pages from different volumes like the Op.24 are less than perfect, with slightly different page sizes and sometimes half a page from another Op. Anyway, if you want to, you can start submitting them, otherwise I'll do that tomorrow, too. --Leonard Vertighel 18:41, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Mostly done. Some editing may be needed, like adding a note where only a selection from a given Op. is available. Also, I was not sure about the genre: initally I used "Song cycle" as in this page, then I switched to "Lieder"; in any case, some pages may need to be recategorized. I hope to go through the pages once more in the next few days, but maybe someone more experienced could take a quick look... --Leonard Vertighel 18:30, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Great job! About the song cycle/lieder categorizing, it is really rather ambiguous; all of them are lieder, but where the line between a collection and a cycle is is at times hard to distinguish. In fact, Googling gave pretty much nothing of note. I would probably move everything to the Lieder category (except for Dichterliebe since it is an established song cycle), and then move whatever is proved to be a song cycle into the song cycle category; it is better to be too broad (i.e. lieder instead of song cycle) than wrong (cycle instead of lieder). But you don't have to do this at once (plus its not terribly urgent anyway)... go at your own pace :) I don't want you to get worn out right after you become an IMSLP admin hehe.
Btw, you can find what pages are in what category for a particular composer by using category intersections (i.e. http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Schumann,_Robert&intersect=Song_cycle )... may come in useful :) --Feldmahler 18:59, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
It is confusing, the more so for a layman like me ;) Maybe the "Liederkreis" should also be tagged as "song cycle", since it actually translates as "song cycle" (well, literally "song circle" - but I suppose that the meaning is the same) - but I don't mind tagging everything as "Lieder" either... --Leonard Vertighel 15:41, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
Hmm... to be honest, it is confusing even for me, even though I'm supposed to have some musical training haha (but hey! In my defense I'll say that at least I'm not a vocal major). I would leave this up to the "experts" (musicologists) who have thoroughly understood the tradition of the lieder and song cycles. Though, it is very possible that even they cannot clearly distinguish between song cycles and a collection of songs... but in any case you can just leave it the way it is currently, and wait for the judgment from the experts :) I've tried googling about this, but nothing of certainty comes up (apparently it ranges from everything of Schumann's being called song cycles, and everything being called lieder). --Feldmahler 17:28, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
Maybe for these cases the categories would have to be reimplemented as fuzzy sets (OK, just testing the new interwiki prefix ;)) I'll leave the categories as they are then... --Leonard Vertighel 17:33, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
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